**But my mindset has always been, we have to make sure we have assets coming back. The problem is, what is the value in the end? I think back to when we traded Jarome Iginla and Jay Bouwmeester, I think we got something like 87 games of combined NHL service from all the pieces we got in return.**
**There are a few teams with a ton of room. But the rest of us? Not so much. It means the hardest part of any deal is the money. Is it money-in, money-out? Usually, it is. And then there’s how you might retain. You only have three slots.**
**You want to build a foundation moving forward and it’s hard. Some teams don’t have the draft picks because they’ve gone for it in previous years. Last year, at the draft, first-round picks were hard to come by. Everybody just knows how valuable picks can be.**
It seems like he wants picks rather than prospects but picks are hard to come by. He didn’t rule out salary retention either, which is good. I get the vibe that a rebuild is on the horizon. And picks are the priority.
MonkeySailor
I like this quote:
> “The other objective was to get younger players in the lineup. To be able to get Pospisil, Zary, Wolf a little bit, Solovyev a little bit, that was also part of the plan, and it was important to me, too. Because you have these players in the minors and you always wanted to see them, but you had to leave a little room and opportunity for them. To see them come up and have some success is fun. You can draft a million players, but if you’re not going to give them a chance, you’re not going to know what you have.”
Little-Aide-5396
Craig, you’re not Jay Feaster. You won’t butcher trading 2 high end players for C level prospects and then completely miss on the draft picks you acquired in those deals as well. It’s actually wild to think about how the Flames got absolutely nothing from those 2 trades. Didn’t improve the team in anyway. Misses all around
MonkeySailor
Also, Conroy really does make it seem like they’re heading into a rebuild (or retool if you want), just not a scorched earth rebuild.
> “I have an idea of what I would like to get for each guy; an idea of what the return should be. You’re looking for fair value.”
> “But I also want to make sure it’s the right deal. I wouldn’t do something just to do it. That doesn’t make any sense. But it’s a learning experience. I ask Don a lot of questions. How much do I call? How often? Am I bugging people by calling too much? Should I sit back a little more? And I’m learning as I go.”
Paulhockey77
Conny would be the perfect gm to retool/rebuild with. Imagine tree managing a rebuild 💀
Chemical_Signal2753
In my opinion, if you get fair value in return and get younger you generally win the trade in the long run. You tend to maximize the total portfolio of assets in your organization, and this tends to result in a better team over time and other options to improve.
Good players early in their prime become available far more often than people think they do. If you have enough organizational depth I’m a position to slide everyone up one spot and still be in good shape you can often acquire these kinds of players.
Chronixx
Sounds like Conroy is leaning into a retool (Canadian teams can’t actively tank, they just have to be bad) which I’m all for
Less-Ad-1327
Not sure where people are getting the idea that he wants a rebuild from this.
He’s stating that they aren’t rebuilding, we aren’t likely to get top draft picks and we’ll have to work with what we have.
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My three favorite quotes:
**But my mindset has always been, we have to make sure we have assets coming back. The problem is, what is the value in the end? I think back to when we traded Jarome Iginla and Jay Bouwmeester, I think we got something like 87 games of combined NHL service from all the pieces we got in return.**
**There are a few teams with a ton of room. But the rest of us? Not so much. It means the hardest part of any deal is the money. Is it money-in, money-out? Usually, it is. And then there’s how you might retain. You only have three slots.**
**You want to build a foundation moving forward and it’s hard. Some teams don’t have the draft picks because they’ve gone for it in previous years. Last year, at the draft, first-round picks were hard to come by. Everybody just knows how valuable picks can be.**
It seems like he wants picks rather than prospects but picks are hard to come by. He didn’t rule out salary retention either, which is good. I get the vibe that a rebuild is on the horizon. And picks are the priority.
I like this quote:
> “The other objective was to get younger players in the lineup. To be able to get Pospisil, Zary, Wolf a little bit, Solovyev a little bit, that was also part of the plan, and it was important to me, too. Because you have these players in the minors and you always wanted to see them, but you had to leave a little room and opportunity for them. To see them come up and have some success is fun. You can draft a million players, but if you’re not going to give them a chance, you’re not going to know what you have.”
Craig, you’re not Jay Feaster. You won’t butcher trading 2 high end players for C level prospects and then completely miss on the draft picks you acquired in those deals as well. It’s actually wild to think about how the Flames got absolutely nothing from those 2 trades. Didn’t improve the team in anyway. Misses all around
Also, Conroy really does make it seem like they’re heading into a rebuild (or retool if you want), just not a scorched earth rebuild.
> “I have an idea of what I would like to get for each guy; an idea of what the return should be. You’re looking for fair value.”
> “But I also want to make sure it’s the right deal. I wouldn’t do something just to do it. That doesn’t make any sense. But it’s a learning experience. I ask Don a lot of questions. How much do I call? How often? Am I bugging people by calling too much? Should I sit back a little more? And I’m learning as I go.”
Conny would be the perfect gm to retool/rebuild with. Imagine tree managing a rebuild 💀
In my opinion, if you get fair value in return and get younger you generally win the trade in the long run. You tend to maximize the total portfolio of assets in your organization, and this tends to result in a better team over time and other options to improve.
Good players early in their prime become available far more often than people think they do. If you have enough organizational depth I’m a position to slide everyone up one spot and still be in good shape you can often acquire these kinds of players.
Sounds like Conroy is leaning into a retool (Canadian teams can’t actively tank, they just have to be bad) which I’m all for
Not sure where people are getting the idea that he wants a rebuild from this.
He’s stating that they aren’t rebuilding, we aren’t likely to get top draft picks and we’ll have to work with what we have.