**Disclaimer 1:** These models are *not* supposed to replace the “eye-test” but to provide supplementary information. No one is arguing that they are the “be all and end all” of hockey analysis (whether quantitative or qualitative).
**Disclaimer 2:** Cards can change within 12 hours as additional actions are credited to a player. What is posted should not be seen as “definitive” even within the constructs of the model.
**Disclaimer 3:** Where these really become useful is to see trends with a player’s performance. To do that, go to https://www.hockeystatcards.com/ and search for a player. You can then see breakdowns of their season-wide score along with trends over time and individual game logs.
Shotokanguy
Even when they contribute offense, I feel Seider and Walman are getting very little time in the offensive zone. The whole team struggles in that area, but after a game is over I look back on it and try to think of shifts where Seider and Walman were part of a good, sustained moment of pressure against the other team and…it feels like there is almost none of that. If this team could improve its breakouts and puck possession, Seider and Walman could give the team more of a boost.
m_got13
My big takeaway, Moritz Seider is the worst defender on the Red Wings and it isn’t even close. What a bum! /s
krusty_yooper
I don’t think I’ll ever understand these cards. I mean, Mo played great, “a whole bushel of good defensive plays” as Mick put it. Just makes no sense to me.
Late_Brush4518
We really need defender who Lalonde trusts, other than Walman and Seider. looking at hardest match ups league wide, Seider and Walman are so far first its not even funny.
Box_of_leftover_lego
According to these stupid cards, Mo should be playing in GR.
These things don’t make sense most of the time.
Mo was basically all impact tonight, without him we probably don’t win.
Figure out how to measure that shit, nerds.
Kryptopus
Makes sense that Seider/Walman always are so negative in defence while being superior defensively on the eye test. With them being so good defensively they always matchup against the best opponents and almost always takes the defensive start. Offensive starts often goes to ghost’s pair since he’s really good offensively.
So don’t dive too much into this, Seider/Walman were our best pair last night even if the others did a good job as well.
Unstep-in-Time
Lol. Mo was so good best game ever maybe on defense. These stat cards are dead to me now.
Who-is-Rhona
Whoever makes these can you tally up the last say 30 games and show the averages of all the players? Wonder if then they show a more fair representation of a players last stretch of games.
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[Origin](https://www.hockeystatcards.com/)
[Data Source](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20232024&game=20764&view=limited)
[Details of model](https://hockey-graphs.com/2016/07/13/measuring-single-game-productivity-an-introduction-to-game-score/). [Further details](https://theathletic.com/1019070/2019/06/14/improving-our-nhl-projection-model-ahead-of-the-2019-20-season/).
**Disclaimer 1:** These models are *not* supposed to replace the “eye-test” but to provide supplementary information. No one is arguing that they are the “be all and end all” of hockey analysis (whether quantitative or qualitative).
**Disclaimer 2:** Cards can change within 12 hours as additional actions are credited to a player. What is posted should not be seen as “definitive” even within the constructs of the model.
**Disclaimer 3:** Where these really become useful is to see trends with a player’s performance. To do that, go to https://www.hockeystatcards.com/ and search for a player. You can then see breakdowns of their season-wide score along with trends over time and individual game logs.
Even when they contribute offense, I feel Seider and Walman are getting very little time in the offensive zone. The whole team struggles in that area, but after a game is over I look back on it and try to think of shifts where Seider and Walman were part of a good, sustained moment of pressure against the other team and…it feels like there is almost none of that. If this team could improve its breakouts and puck possession, Seider and Walman could give the team more of a boost.
My big takeaway, Moritz Seider is the worst defender on the Red Wings and it isn’t even close. What a bum! /s
I don’t think I’ll ever understand these cards. I mean, Mo played great, “a whole bushel of good defensive plays” as Mick put it. Just makes no sense to me.
We really need defender who Lalonde trusts, other than Walman and Seider. looking at hardest match ups league wide, Seider and Walman are so far first its not even funny.
According to these stupid cards, Mo should be playing in GR.
These things don’t make sense most of the time.
Mo was basically all impact tonight, without him we probably don’t win.
Figure out how to measure that shit, nerds.
Makes sense that Seider/Walman always are so negative in defence while being superior defensively on the eye test. With them being so good defensively they always matchup against the best opponents and almost always takes the defensive start. Offensive starts often goes to ghost’s pair since he’s really good offensively.
So don’t dive too much into this, Seider/Walman were our best pair last night even if the others did a good job as well.
Lol. Mo was so good best game ever maybe on defense. These stat cards are dead to me now.
Whoever makes these can you tally up the last say 30 games and show the averages of all the players? Wonder if then they show a more fair representation of a players last stretch of games.