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This piece of land is their last chance. That land will be expensive and someone with deeper pockets will either purchase the property OR hold up the sale to to Alex Meruelo. Salt Lake, Houston, Moose Jaw, have got to be chompin' at the bit!
In regards to LTIR: the solution might be LTIR slots with playoff eligibility. Capping the LTIR limit doesn’t make sense because it punishes teams that have legitimate injuries to significant players. Same with just not allowing those players to come back for the playoffs at all.
Treat it almost like retention slots. Give a team 2 LTIR playoff spots, and let them choose the players to use them on come playoffs. If a player goes on LTIR on or after January 1st, they have to use one of those slots for them to come back for the playoffs.
If, say, Stone, Eichel, and Carrier were on LTIR on Jan. 1st, only two of them could play in the playoffs. Carrier could play in the regular season if cleared, but not after. If a player is injured but you don’t have a slot left, they can go on IR but you have to work around that cap hit still if you want them for the playoffs. I think that’s as close to a fair middle ground as we could get.
Really hope the Coyotes can get this situation figured out. I really dont wanna see them get relocated.
There was always an inherent risk for the Coyotes with aiming for that state surplus land in NoPho…The official announcement, 8 to 10 week delay, the auction itself, a week or two for settlement, zoning board variance application, six months for that…I really wish they would just go out to the rez and work out a one-stop shop deal with the SRC…I don't think we'll be seeing MRI images or medical records flying around in the press to prove, "See? My spleen really is dangling!" That is a whole bucket of worms like HIPAA violations, exposure to malpractice, armchair diagnosing by the public – you name it. So whatever kind of fixes they come up with for LTIR is going to have to come from the accounting end…
Hey for anyone in the comment section that can clarify for me, I've tried looking it up and couldn't find anything on it. If a player actually is healthy do they have to come off of LTIR? or is it up to the team whether or not they come off of LTIR? and if they are healthy and they would be over the cap if they took the player off, what would happen?
I don’t think it’s the use of LTIR. It’s that they use LTIR and its mark stone. If the leafs put Matthews on LTIR and traded for Meier, plenty of people would be upset.
The fact that Vegas just gets all these players because they got an injured player feels so unfair to teams that try to stay healthy.
The Yotes just need to give it up. At this point it's becoming such a clown show that I highly doubt even the city of Phoenix wants them anymore. I mean, look at Tempe. The citizens weren't voting against a hockey team being there. They were voting against the Coyotes being there. Of course, Bettman's going to do everything humanly possible to save this sinking ship because, in all likelihood, if it goes down, he goes down with it – "Hockey in the Desert" was his hill to die on, after all, even when literally everyone else was warning him that putting a hockey team in Arizona was a terrible idea.
The difference is that Vegas does this every year and their players are magically healthy game one for the playoffs. Muzzin, Klingberg, and Murray's careers are over and they'll never play again.
Vegas isn’t doing anything that’s against the rules. People are salty because they won the cup last year when Stone was out on LTIR at the end of the season and they added some depth. I would think the medical for the LTIR could be verified by an NHL doctor. Or maybe that’s already the case I don’t know
The Coyotes need to “land” in Salt Lake City or Houston. Full stop.
I dont know about you all but if the land I wanted is going for 68 million (which can go up astronomically), and i have to possibly deal with more red tape, i would just take that money and buy myself a private island.
I'm fine with not winning the President's Trophy. Then we have a better chance to win the cup. 🙂 Hope Demko heals fully before the playoffs.
The whole Red Wings roster should on LTIR.
Someone in a Facebook thread pointed out that the Canucks used LTIR and were over the Cap in 2011 because of Sami Salo, but it's hard to say that was illegitimate, because every Canucks fan will tell you that Sami, as great a defenseman as he was, was extremely injury prone and it wasn't fake at all. He had a terrible time trying to stay healthy and it was really dumb luck that he managed to stay healthy enough for the 2011 Cup run. For me, the bigger problem is the convoluted way that LTIR is applied. Everyone thinks it's as simple as putting a guy on there and suddenly you have their cap hit freed up to get another player of equal or lesser value. My understanding is that you basically have to be over the cap before you can utilize that LTIR. It isn't just added onto the cap automatically. That's why the Canucks at the deadline were trying to move Poolman's LTIR $2.5 Million contract in order to free up space, and they couldn't do it. I think Shannon might have discussed this in a previous video. So I can understand why some fans might be upset that somehow this has worked for teams like Vegas and Tampa, who put players like Stone and Kucherov, who have big contracts, on LTIR for most of the year and their teams haven't been able to.
Nobody is saying that Stone isn't hurt. It's just that he'll be too hurt to come back the last game of the regular season, yet will be ready to go Game 1 of the playoffs. Also we know Tampa is over as well. We complained when they did the same thing 3 years in a row. The last truly cap compliant Stanley Cup winner is the 2019 St. Louis Blues.
If Arizona moves to Atlanta, then the cycle will be complete. An Atlanta team to Winnipeg, a Winnipeg team to Arizona, an Arizona team to Atlanta.
But do you see the loop hole here I can see why fans get mad. Not saying Stones injury isn’t bad it is but we saw Kuch come back just in time for the playoffs and Tampa was 17 million over the cap and won the cup. And like you said players going on LTIR that are not injured just so a team can pick up someone better for playoffs. Teams are literally abusing the LTIR.
Ugh, Im gonna have to agree with Steve Dangle: lets ignore all Coyote news untill they move. Its all BS.
rempe 4 games is deserved, laviolette needs to take accountability for this, he is the one sending him out to antagonise and fight. I'm not happy with him as our coach. if you let the joker out to play what exactly were you expecting?
one of my friends and i have been concerned for Rempe. he's fighting in what feels like game after game (probably not every game?) and he's a younger guy, can't imagine what that will do to him as he gets older.
Shannon, the issue with Vegas is that they’re like the boy who cried wolf. Stone has been injured before at around this time and then magically comes back to start in the playoffs. Nobody believes them since we’ve seen this movie already. It doesn’t matter if stone is actually injured or not, it’s hard to believe them.
at least LTIR isnt Load Management like the NBA has abused a lot
Come on, let's not be kids. It's obviously a loophole which big teams use to get stronger for the playoffs. The thing is, if you got a loophole in your regulations, you just fix it. Simple as that. Why doesn't NHL want to do that is beyond me, it just gives rise to some wild speculation.
Rangers do Rangers things.
geez at least Walt Disney went incognito to FLA to purchase land so he wouldn't be gouged by higher land prices I know I know it was a different time and a different place
So what you telling me is 11 teams are over the salary cap? Sounds like that’s their problem.
Jovo jersey is sick
Here's a solution: to be eligible for the playoffs, you have to be active/eligible cap-wise on game 82. You don't have to play, but your salary can't be on LTIR. If you're LTIR for the playoffs, you can't play.
Funny how when sensible people who understand LTIR talk about it, they discuss pros and cons and always bring up half the league is doing it. If the GMs decide they don’t like it, they will vote to change it.
the publicly available projected open date is 2027. 3 years away.
Problem is not the money on LTIR. The problem is, putting players on LTIR, adding more players and salary, THEN bringing those players out of LTIR as soon when the playoffs start. Nobody would have a problem with the trades Vegas made, IF Stone wasn't going to play in the playoffs. But he clearly is, so they're circumenventing the cap by having him sit in the LTIR until the playoffs start. That's the problem, not the fact that teams have players who are never going to play again sitting in LTIR. Are Muzzin, Murray or Klingberg going to appear in the playoffs? No? Then there's no problem.
I don't see a problem with LTIR… and whole "tampa & vegas" crying is so funny to me… The competitivnes of regular season is great for making it more and more important, because there's gonna be very good teams which don't make PO… so losing core player will hurt more and more… it stabilises by itself, no need for action… Limiting LTIR or preventing teams to play the best players they have available in PO for any reason isn't a good idea… (replacing a rookie (ELC) with seasoned veteran who played most of the season in AHL for example (more expensive contract) similiar things happen every PO, but nobody pays attention… every single team is ovet the cap in PO after calling farm players or players from other leagues… it's just not so flashy…
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Instead of going to an auction and put in a bid for 68 million dollars spend the money to renovate the old arena in downtown Phoenix where they used to play.