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How does the NHL fix this? Or maybe, does it even need to be fixed?
great video. The history with this LTIR loophole is crazy and it gets even weirder when you consider Tampa of all teams were one of two teams along with the blues to oppose and vote to fix the loophole back when it was discovered after 2015.
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I really think the best answer would be that LTIR isn't included in the salary cap, but your active roster in the playoffs has to fit into the cap. Almost like, I don't know, the regular season? If an LTIR player returns for the playoffs, you have to healthy scratch players and mess around with rosters so that you're fielding a team on the ice that fits into the cap. If you want to buy players for the sake of filling a roster gap, go ahead.
If the league really wants to keep this, make returning LTIR players miss the 1st round.
I don't think I can have a neutral opinion on this though, being an Islanders fan and seeing this happen two straight seasons in a row against a Lightning organization abusing cap loop holes and going on to win back-to-back cups.
Imo it's as simple as any roster you ice needs to be under the cap. Ironically this means vegas last year is actually alright.
derrick rose blew his knee out on the same night
If you don't play in the last 3 games of the season. you miss round 1 of the playoffs due to incapability. (unless your team goes down 2-0, or a game 7 situation in which case they can return to the roster.)
my slight workaround would be for players making 6+ million would be to make it so only half of the salary can be taken off the cap, also if they had a hard cap for how much money can be used for ltir like say 10 million. so basically for example stoneâs salary only counts for 4.75 Million. I understand why players and owners donât have a problem with it but you have to at least tweak it a bit.
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Enforce a salary cap in the playoffs with a 10% increase. All teams have the flexibility to bolster the lineup or replace an injured star but arenât able to add multiple large contracts. Contracts can be maximum 50% retained by the team dealing in the trade, 3 way retention is made illegal. Teams w/o LTIR will be forced to scratch players game by game to insert their acquisitions throughout the rest of the regular season, teams using LTIR space may or may not need to do the same. Activating a player off LTIR during the playoffs works the same as in season, forced to scratch players if necessary to comply w the cap.
The Hawks, Kings and Lightning are what I wished the Canucks were in the 2010s (well Lightning in the 2020s)
Just make it ao you uave to have q cap compliant roater at the start of every round. If you get someone back from injury and they are not on the roater you can swap them out at the start of the next round.
Youre not ounished for having players off the active roster capwise, they just cant play.
That gives teams a reason to acquire at the deadline and use LTIR space but they will need to adjust
Salary caps need to be adjusted for tax rates so low tax areas dont have such an advantage
NHL has become a complete joke. Most embarassing league in all of pro sports.
create a short term and long term injury reserve list. Long term has a minimum time of 2 months or something like that for serious injuries, and short term still counts towards cap
Hawks brought in Vermette to be a 3rd line center that won faceoffs, he just over performed. It is a weird problem though. 16-30 mil over the cap is nuts!
Just make the salary cap effective at all times
At 1:55, Rob says "… Brent Seabrook, of all people, would score the overtime goal!". I wonder what Rob meant by that? I am a Blackhawks fan. Seabrook is one of my favourite players of all-time and I have been following that team since the early 70's. It sounded like Seabrook was an unlikely hero which is bizarre because he was a mainstay on that team throughout is career.
Only way is a false tax across the league to add up in accordance to the team of least post tax income. Players would never let that happen.
Wow, no respect for KrĂŒger, Oduya and, the unsung hero of the â13 and â15 cup run, the one and only; Niklas âHjammerâ Hjalmarsson – I highly doubt the Hawks would have won those two cups if it werenât for the d-pairing of Hjalmarsson and Oduya to support Keith and Seabrook
Those guys had way more impact than some of the guys you mentioned, I get Byfuglien and Ladd but Bolland? Frolik? StÄlberg? No shade against those guys, love em but wow man
State tax is a red herring. It doesnt givs more cap. Salary is pretax so its not like the team gets an 8% increase in their cap. Sure the players dollar goes further but the same could be said for cost of living in manhattan players vs arizona
Hes not gonna resign with Detroit. He wamts to win the cup now….i think he chose Detroit cuz he doesn't know which team he thinks is gonna win the cup tjis year whoever does good in the playoffs he will choose that team, and i think its Van
2:53 as someone from lethbridge this is facts đ
Cap the playoffs, if the player comes back, he counts if he doesn't, then he doesn't. This is a fine example of why accountants and attorneys should be punted out of sports.
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To bad Scott Stevens never got the chance to hit Kane like he did Kariya .
They need to play the final 3 games of the season or not be eligible for the post season if they are on LTIR. Easy fix
One way could be that a new category is made for injured players SEIL (season-ending injury list) and players placed there don't count towards the salary cap but also can't play a competitive game until pre-season game 1. Plus change the rule that a portion (how much exactly can be debated, maybe 50%, or even slighting scale depending on the length of time the player is injured) of a player's salary still counts towards the salary cap when placed into LTIR.
But at the end of the day when your team does then it's "great rule lawyering" and when a team you don't like does it then it's "BS that needs to end".
If you're on ltir you can't play until game 4 of the first round passes. Once game 5 starts, you can be worthy of the conn Smythe for all I care, but if you're so injured you can't play in the regular season then shouldn't you take an extra week to recover?
Fwiw Kane dove, the shove wasnât nearly strong enough to send him into the boards like that
There's a simple solution:
Teams in the playoffs should never be over the cap with the players they field in a single game. If someone comes back from the LTIR they will need to bench one or more players to fit the cap in their next game(s).
Am I missing something?
Also, just adjust the cap on a team basis based on the taxation in their respective locations.
It doesn't seem that difficult to me at all, and I'm sure there are smart enough people running the show. The real question is what their motives are for not implementing these changes.
The solution is to let the cap hit stand and accept that injures can — and often probably will — derail a team's chances at success. It's unfortunate, but clearly teams have figured out how to circumvent the entire reason a salary cap exists in the first place so you have to take that option away from them. If a team does indeed wish to bring in players which would effectively put them over the cap, they would first have to deem the player on IR ineligible to return for the season as well as the playoffs.
I live 100 miles south of Tampa… I like the loophole. They should keep it! đ
Richards? Knew him too he was a dick irl lol. Worked at a boat dealership, was the worse client I ever had to deal with.
Fix is easy, On the IR you cannot play in the playoffs. Require a % of games played after the deadline.
lol yea, any given team you field is required to fit the salary cap. Load up on players if someone's LTIR? If they come back you need to sit players until your active team is under the cap.
I Still hate Kane to this day for the 2010 finals, yes i'm from Philly and a Flyers fan
It should be OK to allow extanded cap for play-off, but there should be cap applied on players sitting on bench for every game. So you can shuffle players between matches, handle injuries. But not have 4x 1st line in game đ€·ââïž
"depleted depth" uhhhhh the 2015 hawks had depth lol.
it should be noted that Kane was actually injured for the exact amount of time he was out. he was never held out while able to play. this is where the Kucherov situation was very different. he was healthy for a time imo. also it's very different in that they literally scheduled his surgery around the loophole, intending to exploit it – they knew they were good enough wo him in a weak division to make the playoffs. this and Vegas is all very very different from Chicago.
the two key differences w Chi – it was a spontaneous acute legitimate injury, observable on camera – a game injury, one week before the deadline. Chicago did not plan around the loophole in any way or schedule a surgery or try to stash a star on LTIR – and there was no question of Kane being held out while healthy.
thanks ken holland for solving a problem that wouldnt be a problem anyway.
And that "fix" really ruined the best playoffs in sports.