Honestly they’ve tried for 28 years to get Arizonans into hockey. It hasn’t worked. Their attendance has never been great. I don’t see a reason to go back to Arizona in the future.
– The Arizona Coyotes have lost $115.2 million USD between 2013 and 2022 (according to Forbes Business of Hockey). That is more than any other team in the NHL over that same period. Fact.
– In the past 28 years the Arizona Coyotes are at a NET LOSS. Fact.
– The Coyotes can't stay at the Footprint center because it converted to basketball exclusively. Fact.
– The Arizona Coyotes were also sued by the city of Phoenix twice for interfering with zoning laws in accordance with planned flight paths. Facts.
– The team was sued by city of Glendale for not paying taxes – On December 3 2021, the Arizona Department of Revenue slapped the Arizona Coyotes with a tax lien. Fact.
– The Coyotes were rejected by the cities of Scottsdale (Los Arcos mall site in 1995-1996)
– the Coyotes were rejected by the city of Tempe (May 16 2023). Fact.
Coyotes still have to find a location to build an area. And purchase the land… (they are talking about a parcel of land in Scottsdale, but nothing has happened as of March 13 2024 – and that site is in a BAD location apparently very little hockey fans/money in that area.
My understanding (and this was told to me by Coyotes fans) ONLY the east valley of Phoenix has a lot of hockey fans.
This proposed site (Loop 101 West of Scottsdale Road) is FAR, FAR NORTHEAST…not even close to where people are. It is not even in the East Valley anymore, it is in the North, it is not in a highly populated area. And those were some of the main issues with drawing fans to Glendale (in the West Valley…a lack of fans).
Furthermore, "the 100 acre plot of land currently has no road access to the site…they have not spoken about how they will secure the water rights for the current and future needs of a project of this size"…
To build a brand new arena from scratch, takes on average 3 years of construction (assuming there are NO delays).
It sounds like there has to be a PUBLIC AUCTION FOR THE LAND FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 WEEKS to allow other people a chance to purchase the land. And then the ARENA PLANS have to be approved by the government, they don't just let you build whatever you want.
The auction will START on March 14th 2024….the land must be put up for auction for minimum of 10 weeks…May 23 2024 soonest without delays (HOWEVER they actually announced this week the auction will probably end in June 2024).
The realistic soonest possible date for a new arena construction. would be June 2027. (2027-2028 NHL season – where will the Coyotes play until then? They can't play at Mullet until then.)
Therefore…The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating.
Why spend $500 million on another arena, which may or may not work out? That would be crazy. To build this team a new arena would be insane. to pump $500 million into an arena, while an arena in Glendale EXISTS and the team lost $115.2 million in the past ten years – you will NEVER RECOUP YOUR LOSSES IN ARIZONA.
List of NHL sized arenas in cities without NHL teams:
– Videotron Centre – Quebec City, Quebec
– MODA Center – Portland, Oregon
– Fiserv Forum – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
– Delta Center – Salt Lake City, Utah
– Toyota Center – Houston, Texas
– FirstOntario Centre – Hamilton, Ontario (currently renovating)
– Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse – Cleveland, Ohio
– T-Mobile Center (Sprint Center) – Kansas City, Missouri
Every single one of those cities are more deserving of an NHL city than Phoenix (or Atlanta for that matter).
Some of these locations would ACTUALLY generate revenue for the NHL unlike the Arizona Coyotes.
what idiot is responsible for your graphic at 6:44 ,, , shows coyotes moved to arizona in 2013 , no , the winnipeg jets moved to arizona and started play as the coyotes in 1996 , then you state the coyotes started to play in glendale , in 2003 , ugh ,guess they never played in america west arena from 1996 inaugural night thru 2002 , how about hiring a professional for these things, and hope someday you two will actually learn how to pronounce meruelo's name correctly , tho he may sell the team , it would increase your credibility.
The NHL allowed the move to AZ, despite knowing the Suns arena was not built for hockey! Then to add to the stupidity, there was no plan to build a hockey facility in the Phoenix area when the move was made! Then an arena was finally built, about 5 years after the move, on the opposite side of town where the population and season ticket holders live!!
The NHL and the Coyotes, a playbook on how not to move a team! Nothing but clowns
Yeah right Frank like Merullo is going to pay another billion plus for an expansion team in 5 years. He's not going to make anywhere near that selling to Smith.
The end of an error. The Coyotes have lost a boat load of money every year since moving to Arizona. The Coyotes having issues selling out their college rink. Beyond humiliating for the NHL. Move them ASAP.
Frank you are missing something here! Why would the NHL accept a "relocation fee" of what $500,000 for example. Merullo would get $600 or 700,000 from Smiths 1.2 billion? Then he's supposed to spend more then twice that in 5 years for an expansion team? That's not going to happen. I think they stay. Unless it's a done deal behind closed doors.
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Utah coyotes
Honestly they’ve tried for 28 years to get Arizonans into hockey. It hasn’t worked. Their attendance has never been great. I don’t see a reason to go back to Arizona in the future.
Move the bums!!!
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– The Arizona Coyotes have lost $115.2 million USD between 2013 and 2022 (according to Forbes Business of Hockey). That is more than any other team in the NHL over that same period. Fact.
– In the past 28 years the Arizona Coyotes are at a NET LOSS. Fact.
– The Coyotes can't stay at the Footprint center because it converted to basketball exclusively. Fact.
– The Arizona Coyotes were also sued by the city of Phoenix twice for interfering with zoning laws in accordance with planned flight paths. Facts.
– The team was sued by city of Glendale for not paying taxes – On December 3 2021, the Arizona Department of Revenue slapped the Arizona Coyotes with a tax lien. Fact.
– The Coyotes were rejected by the cities of Scottsdale (Los Arcos mall site in 1995-1996)
– the Coyotes were rejected by the city of Tempe (May 16 2023). Fact.
Coyotes still have to find a location to build an area. And purchase the land… (they are talking about a parcel of land in Scottsdale, but nothing has happened as of March 13 2024 – and that site is in a BAD location apparently very little hockey fans/money in that area.
My understanding (and this was told to me by Coyotes fans) ONLY the east valley of Phoenix has a lot of hockey fans.
This proposed site (Loop 101 West of Scottsdale Road) is FAR, FAR NORTHEAST…not even close to where people are. It is not even in the East Valley anymore, it is in the North, it is not in a highly populated area. And those were some of the main issues with drawing fans to Glendale (in the West Valley…a lack of fans).
Furthermore, "the 100 acre plot of land currently has no road access to the site…they have not spoken about how they will secure the water rights for the current and future needs of a project of this size"…
To build a brand new arena from scratch, takes on average 3 years of construction (assuming there are NO delays).
It sounds like there has to be a PUBLIC AUCTION FOR THE LAND FOR A MINIMUM OF 10 WEEKS to allow other people a chance to purchase the land. And then the ARENA PLANS have to be approved by the government, they don't just let you build whatever you want.
The auction will START on March 14th 2024….the land must be put up for auction for minimum of 10 weeks…May 23 2024 soonest without delays (HOWEVER they actually announced this week the auction will probably end in June 2024).
The realistic soonest possible date for a new arena construction. would be June 2027. (2027-2028 NHL season – where will the Coyotes play until then? They can't play at Mullet until then.)
Therefore…The Arizona Coyotes are 100% relocating.
Why spend $500 million on another arena, which may or may not work out? That would be crazy. To build this team a new arena would be insane. to pump $500 million into an arena, while an arena in Glendale EXISTS and the team lost $115.2 million in the past ten years – you will NEVER RECOUP YOUR LOSSES IN ARIZONA.
List of NHL sized arenas in cities without NHL teams:
– Videotron Centre – Quebec City, Quebec
– MODA Center – Portland, Oregon
– Fiserv Forum – Milwaukee, Wisconsin
– Delta Center – Salt Lake City, Utah
– Toyota Center – Houston, Texas
– FirstOntario Centre – Hamilton, Ontario (currently renovating)
– Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse – Cleveland, Ohio
– T-Mobile Center (Sprint Center) – Kansas City, Missouri
Every single one of those cities are more deserving of an NHL city than Phoenix (or Atlanta for that matter).
Some of these locations would ACTUALLY generate revenue for the NHL unlike the Arizona Coyotes.
It should be the Devils moving so SLC can have two teams with an oxymoron for a name. Name a Jazz musician from Utah…….
what idiot is responsible for your graphic at 6:44 ,, , shows coyotes moved to arizona in 2013 , no , the winnipeg jets moved to arizona and started play as the coyotes in 1996 , then you state the coyotes started to play in glendale , in 2003 , ugh ,guess they never played in america west arena from 1996 inaugural night thru 2002 , how about hiring a professional for these things, and hope someday you two will actually learn how to pronounce meruelo's name correctly , tho he may sell the team , it would increase your credibility.
The NHL allowed the move to AZ, despite knowing the Suns arena was not built for hockey! Then to add to the stupidity, there was no plan to build a hockey facility in the Phoenix area when the move was made! Then an arena was finally built, about 5 years after the move, on the opposite side of town where the population and season ticket holders live!!
The NHL and the Coyotes, a playbook on how not to move a team! Nothing but clowns
Yeah right Frank like Merullo is going to pay another billion plus for an expansion team in 5 years. He's not going to make anywhere near that selling to Smith.
Just sell the friggin team. Utah's legislature already passed funding for an arena, so just get it done.
Utah Coyotezz?
The end of an error. The Coyotes have lost a boat load of money every year since moving to Arizona.
The Coyotes having issues selling out their college rink. Beyond humiliating for the NHL. Move them ASAP.
Frank you are missing something here! Why would the NHL accept a "relocation fee" of what $500,000 for example. Merullo would get $600 or 700,000 from Smiths 1.2 billion? Then he's supposed to spend more then twice that in 5 years for an expansion team? That's not going to happen. I think they stay. Unless it's a done deal behind closed doors.