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Sometimes I think the fanbase gets a little fixated on Total Goals or Assists from our players which I’ve never felt was super accurate (eg. our teams predisposition to scoring goals in bunches rather than spread across multiple games. You’d get a ton of points… but is it truly helpful when you win one game 10-1?). I figured we’d beat the dead horse a little further by taking a visual representation of all their playoff games side-by-side.
Obviously it’s not perfect and doesn’t take into account the eye test or what their roles were (eg. Tavares playing more of a shutdown role in the most recent playoffs) but I think it just brings a different perspective.
IandouglasB
Would you look at that? Marner has the MOST points of all of them…but HE’S the problem
Free_Beyond_1212
Look at how clearly marner is the worst of the core 5 in the playoffs and definitely doesn’t blend right in with the rest..
BlueHotCoconut
The Marners truthers are coming in hot.
JFMoldau
How about we just trade everyone?
That way, none of you are happy.
So nothing actually changes, but at least you’ll have new people to obsess over.
Similar-Jellyfish499
TL;DR they’ve all been bad
GooseRider960
Damn, Matthews was kind of killer last year, huh?
I feel like this is a case (maybe not for Tavares) where they’d see a marked jump up in production under new/better coaching/systems. Happened to the Oilers.
Also, Matthews in particular plays a very different game then a ton of the high point playoff performer stars. His goals > assists style tends to mean less points (and a lower PPG) even when he’s cooking, and a lot of his value is in his defense. I’d be interested in seeing what his defensive stats look like for each of these years if you’d be willing to compile those (goals against on ice for, blocked shots, takeaways, stuff like that). I think that’s never given any credit after the regular season has ended, but he basically stonewalled Boston for points when he was on ice this year.
kingex11
None of them are big game players. The moment gets too big for them in elimination games.
jimmymeeko
Marner has had very good playoff series in the past. He also was playing with a high ankle sprain this year and very noticeably didn’t have his usual jump to his game. He was slow on his first step and lacked lateral mobility.
For a guy who is elite because of his exceptional edge control and ability to use his vision to read plays and then capitalize with a strong first step, I’m not surprised he was limited.
Keep marner and let him get his mojo back under a new coach. (Unless we can land a true #1 D man, or extremely highly rated up and coming #1 d man).
MaximumTemperature25
It’d be cool to add a totals column on the right side as well
twofactorial
Since 2018 – 2019 [When Tavares signed with Toronto]:
Matthews: 19G, 23A [42 pts], in 42 games played.
Marner: 8G, 29A [37 pts], in 44 games played.
Nylander: 18G, 17A [35 pts], in 41 games played.
Tavares: 12G, 12A [24 pts], in 38 games played.
Honestly, none of them drastically outperform the other. You could say that Matthews has done a little more than the rest, and Tavares has done a little less (note that he missed basically the entire MTL series since he was injured in game 1). But Marner and Nylander are essentially the same (in terms of point production). Of course, goals are generally harder to come by than assists, but also you need a guy dishing the puck sometimes as well.
Lots of 0G’s from the Core 4 in the losses though. Since 2018 – 2019: 10 losses where the Core 4 had 0 goals, out of the 25 losses we’ve had. You can look at it in two ways: [1] Thats 40% of losses where the Core 4 just cannot produce. [2] We lack depth to step in when the Core 4 can’t produce.
No matter how you want to look at it … its not even about which Core 4 is the best or the worst… its just you can’t have that many guys in a core making that much money, because then you don’t have money for depth, or goaltending, or #1 D man (or all three…)
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Sorry, still have never figured out how to include text with the picture:
Sometimes I think the fanbase gets a little fixated on Total Goals or Assists from our players which I’ve never felt was super accurate (eg. our teams predisposition to scoring goals in bunches rather than spread across multiple games. You’d get a ton of points… but is it truly helpful when you win one game 10-1?). I figured we’d beat the dead horse a little further by taking a visual representation of all their playoff games side-by-side.
Obviously it’s not perfect and doesn’t take into account the eye test or what their roles were (eg. Tavares playing more of a shutdown role in the most recent playoffs) but I think it just brings a different perspective.
Would you look at that? Marner has the MOST points of all of them…but HE’S the problem
Look at how clearly marner is the worst of the core 5 in the playoffs and definitely doesn’t blend right in with the rest..
The Marners truthers are coming in hot.
How about we just trade everyone?
That way, none of you are happy.
So nothing actually changes, but at least you’ll have new people to obsess over.
TL;DR they’ve all been bad
Damn, Matthews was kind of killer last year, huh?
I feel like this is a case (maybe not for Tavares) where they’d see a marked jump up in production under new/better coaching/systems. Happened to the Oilers.
Also, Matthews in particular plays a very different game then a ton of the high point playoff performer stars. His goals > assists style tends to mean less points (and a lower PPG) even when he’s cooking, and a lot of his value is in his defense. I’d be interested in seeing what his defensive stats look like for each of these years if you’d be willing to compile those (goals against on ice for, blocked shots, takeaways, stuff like that). I think that’s never given any credit after the regular season has ended, but he basically stonewalled Boston for points when he was on ice this year.
None of them are big game players. The moment gets too big for them in elimination games.
Marner has had very good playoff series in the past. He also was playing with a high ankle sprain this year and very noticeably didn’t have his usual jump to his game. He was slow on his first step and lacked lateral mobility.
For a guy who is elite because of his exceptional edge control and ability to use his vision to read plays and then capitalize with a strong first step, I’m not surprised he was limited.
Keep marner and let him get his mojo back under a new coach. (Unless we can land a true #1 D man, or extremely highly rated up and coming #1 d man).
It’d be cool to add a totals column on the right side as well
Since 2018 – 2019 [When Tavares signed with Toronto]:
Matthews: 19G, 23A [42 pts], in 42 games played.
Marner: 8G, 29A [37 pts], in 44 games played.
Nylander: 18G, 17A [35 pts], in 41 games played.
Tavares: 12G, 12A [24 pts], in 38 games played.
Honestly, none of them drastically outperform the other. You could say that Matthews has done a little more than the rest, and Tavares has done a little less (note that he missed basically the entire MTL series since he was injured in game 1). But Marner and Nylander are essentially the same (in terms of point production). Of course, goals are generally harder to come by than assists, but also you need a guy dishing the puck sometimes as well.
Lots of 0G’s from the Core 4 in the losses though. Since 2018 – 2019: 10 losses where the Core 4 had 0 goals, out of the 25 losses we’ve had. You can look at it in two ways: [1] Thats 40% of losses where the Core 4 just cannot produce. [2] We lack depth to step in when the Core 4 can’t produce.
No matter how you want to look at it … its not even about which Core 4 is the best or the worst… its just you can’t have that many guys in a core making that much money, because then you don’t have money for depth, or goaltending, or #1 D man (or all three…)