https://open.spotify.com/episode/44v6xlHvCSmgLpfQ1c0ZVL?si=eMqa918YQb6eu7b_gPA_ZA&t=3989
Dont be surprised if this plays out over next season
Delicate conversation between player and team because both sides want to "win"
The Leafs are determined to either make a good trade, or with the cap room created, do something big that they know they can't afford to have a swing and a miss
The player, and more importantly the people around the player are determined to make themselves look good so they're not going to agree to anything that puts them in a bad light
Real concern about how Toronto fans will react to Marner if he starts next season unsigned. Marner has to understand the fanbase won't react well, and he has to play through that. Can he handle it?
People within the org see this as Kadri 2.0
If the contract demands on both side are crazy it will lead to an eventual divorce anyways
"Some people think it's 100% he's getting traded, on Sunday June 2nd, I don't know if I'm so certain of that" – Friedman
One of the biggest challenges is the feelings of everyone around. This will take a lot of diplomacy for a lot of people to do properly
Marek compares it to the Muskoka 5, you don't want the player to go through it, and you don't want the team to go through it. This has a potential to be a firecracker
Anytime there's a report that paints 1 sidein bad light, or says this person has to do this, people get their backs up
by CTHT07
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Fuck Paul Marner and Mitch’s “team”.
Fuck them in their stupid asses.
Done with the player tbh. Could care less what the return is.
I don’t even care what the return is anymore just get it done at this point
It makes sense. The fans emotional response is we have to trade him, but you need the Leafs management team to be calm and calculated here. Regardless of what you think of Mitch, he’s a 90+ point winger who’s finished top 3 in Selke voting, strong on both special teams, and been a first-team NHLer twice. He is an asset that, if you trade him, you have to recoup value now and for the future. Matthews and Nylander are about to enter the primes of their careers, the trade needs a return that aligns with that and makes the team better over the next 2-5 years.
You can afford to “lose” the trade by a slight margin because of the cap room it could create and how that can be used (and this ignores the fact that Tre has a pretty mediocre record in UFA going back to his Calgary days), but you cannot just trade him for the sake of trading him. Add in that he has 1 year left on his deal, and he has a NMC clause, and you have a situation that isn’t easy to navigate. Should be no surprise that this will take some time, and I honestly think it is better than 50% chance he is a Leaf come the start of training camp. Not saying that I think that’s the right call – just the reality of the situation.
Get rid of this guy
Fuck Rocket Security, Darren Ferris and Paul Marner.
People aren’t gonna like it but this makes total sense.
Leafs aren’t just gonna trade Mitch for peanuts because fans online are mad at him. Gonna be a long summer. And I’d bet money Mitch is a Leaf opening night.
* ***The player, and more importantly the people around the player are determined to make themselves look good so they’re not going to agree to anything that puts them in a bad light***
What does this mean? His dad? His agent? Someone else?
There’s nothing Mitch or his dad can do to not look bad. He demands top tier pay while disappointing every year.
He could have been a legend to young kids in Toronto instead he’s going to be remembered as the guy that couldn’t let his ego take a back seat
Here’s what’s going to happen:
– they won’t find a good trade this offseason and will go into the year with Marner
– the team will play great in front of Berube
– Marner will pace for 120 points and the fans will start to reconsider.
– the price will become $13.5M
>Delicate conversation between player and team because both sides want to “win”
By win do they mean win the contract negotiation? Lmao he really wants to double down on pissing off fans by maximizing his salary doesn’t he
>The player, and more importantly the people around the player are determined to make themselves look good so they’re not going to agree to anything that puts them in a bad light.
Wtf does this mean? Look good in what way? Look good to GMs for his next contract so he can maximize his earnings again or Look good to the fans?
Based on his history, I’d assume its the former.
If it’s the latter, it’s pretty obvious what you have to do. It starts by not bleeding the team dry of every cent you can milk them for
Leafs management need to recognize there’s no winning a Marner trade. Just suck it up, hold your nose, and pull the trigger on whatever deal that’s out there. This guy can’t be brought back opening night. The whole season will start on the wrong foot.
Marner will ask for an absurd raise and fuck this team by either walking for nothing or making us sign another huge overpay.
“The Leafs are determined to either make a good trade, or with the cap room created, do something big”
That’s all I needed to hear, thanks Elliot.
“One of the biggest challenges is the feelings of everyone around. This will take a lot of diplomacy for a lot of people to do properly”
Jesus fucking Christ, GROW UP. You’re professionals getting paid obscene amounts of money, and you’re whining about fucking optics. Absolutley pathetic attitude from “both sides”.
I’m so sick of this. Just move him, fuck everyone’s feelings this is fucking professional sports.
It’s funny talking about losing on a trade to open up cap space. Considering the assets toronto have lost because of the cap position they’re in, it seems like a win win. Kadri went on to win a cup, Hyman is 4 games away. Both players could have been preserved without our cap predicament.
If Marners team wants to make him look “good” just waive the whole NMC and go where ever the best deal is, or sign a team friendly deal below market value. Any other outcome and fans are going to make him the bad guy.
why should players like marner care about winning the cup? the leafs have been golfing for a month. if they had lost last nite, mitch would have got about $40,000 before tax for that extra month of work, or about $3,000 per game (assuming 6 game series). right now, mitch makes about $134,000 per regular season game. that’s a huge pay cut (about 40x less) to play a much more difficult and physically taxing style. why risk injury (again) going into a contract year when the difference between blowing out a knee (or whatever) might be the difference between a $100million dollar contract and who knows what if you get hurt.
It’s crazy how often Marner’s feelings, and specifically Marner’s feelings about how he is perceived are brought up as something to consider when it comes to his management. No other successful player in the league is as effected by their feelings, it’s unbelievable.
Fans definitely make this situation seem easier than it is. It’s not so easy to just decide you’re going to trade him then do it.
Even getting past all the hurdles of the NTC etc. if a trade does happen there is an incredible amount of pressure on Treliving to knock it out of the park.
The Leafs have a recent history of parting ways with core pieces only to watch them reach new heights of success while the Leafs stay exactly where they are. Could you imagine if that happens with Mitch Marner of all players? Idk how how the franchise recovers from that.
Trade him somewhere else for whatever okay haha you can get and then use the cap money to sign guentzal for 8.5/9. You’ve got a guy who’s at least marners equal in playoffs and saved probably 3.5 mill in cap space the next bunch of years
…Kadri was run out of town by the media for suspensions at key times…which was a direct result of officials giving way too much grace one way and losing control of the series.
Marner can’t handle how the fans react…he’s proven that time and again when he seems more concerned about his perception than his play. It looked during the blowup that two of his teammates have seemingly noticed it too, and called him on it…which to no surprise he didn’t react well to.
Friedman is the king is saying a whole lot that means absolutely nothing.
He has to go. We all know Marner is a good player and will exceed in a smaller market. WE KNOW. Our only defence signed is fucking Rielly bro. He’s the only cap we can move and it needs to happen. If he is on our team next year we are soft and stupid
Can we just have a moratorium for Marner talks till there’s actually something to talk about. It’s so annoying.
can he handle Toronto fans next season if he’s with the team, unsigned. No, no he cannot handle that pressure. This fanbase and the media will eat him alive
God Mitch the bitch man. Buddy hasn’t won nothing nor produced what is he standing on
Nothing about this is Kadri 2.0 it’s almost opposite in every aspect except they both played in London
The Kadri comparison isn’t that great. Remember he got suspended his first playoff run with the Avs doing something stupid again. He cost his team three years in a row by taking himself out of a series. My biggest gripe was that Tyson Barrie failed to do anything in TO.
Also who cares if Marner goes to a quieter market and wins a Cup? History has shown he cant handle the market of Toronto. So he isn’t doing that here. You don’t have the right people in charge if you’re worried about the outside optics, instead trying to make your team better.
I doubt he gets traded. He will sign an, extension
Him and his camp are a cancer. I’m not even saying he’s a bad dude, I don’t think he’s a bad dude at all. They operate very selfishly and that manifests itself negatively for the team in so many ways.
We are stuck with the Marner curse for now I guess.