Wait until you hear about how many career points Peter Laviolette had.
Helpful_Project_8436
Didn’t know Ryan Clowe worked for the Rangers. I remember being excited when we traded for him
notsethcohen
Maybe this is controversial but Ortmeyer was a decent hockey player. Calling him one of the most untalented players of all time is quite a stretch
niltiac8
I forgot about TG, but I find it totally ironic that he would be working in player development. What tf does he add to their development? LOL
lamb_ch0p
Talented players don’t always make for good coaches
hardware1197
Once again, Avery does not make the cut!
ekk929
untalented players make the best coaches. they stayed on rosters by doing the little things to make up for their lack of talent. you can teach the little things, but you can’t teach talent.
to use a baseball reference, it’s the exact reason why barry bonds, one of the best hitters to ever play, sucked as a hitting coach on the marlins. he would just say “see the way the ball is spinning and predict where it’s gonna go and then hit it into the bleachers, because that’s what i did” and none of his players could do that because they didn’t have his talent.
you want a coach who can say “i used to have a ton of trouble with my passing back in my early days, here’s what i did to improve myself” and things of that nature.
SugarSweetSonny
This isn’t a bad thing.
Talented and gifted players tend to severely underestimate their own talent when giving retrospect of their careers and it colors their ability to connect and coach later on.
If something comes easy to you, you can continue on to something more advanced and keep going. So its harder to sometimes grasp why something that you found easy is so hard for someone else. As a coach you’ll want to work on something that gave you trouble or something that i advanced while having this student/player struggle with something that you don’t understand what they aren’t getting.
There’s a great story about this with Art Shell (football, former HC but also former OL). As a player, he was considered one of the greatest offensive lineman to play the game. He often talked about how hard he worked to get so good and how important his work ethic was (and he worked very hard). One time as a coach he was working with some lineman and they were having a problem with something he was teaching them. He couldn’t get what they found difficult so he popped in a video tape of himself doing it to show to the players.
They watched and told him there was zero chance they could do it the way he did. He was showing them a clip of him (when he weighted 285 or so) moving his feet like a ballerina. They flat out said they didn’t have the ability to do his footwork the way he did it that fast and quick with perfect technique. He was stunned, and they were stunned that he didn’t get that.
You also sometimes see this with Mark Messier when he talks about how being tough and gritty was a factor in his success and talking about leadership. What he often leaves out was that he was one of the fastest players in the entire NHL and was a gifted passer and gifted stick handler pretty much from the begining who was able to pick up and learn thing rapidly from other gifted players. When you are that talented and gifted, you underestimate those talents and gifts. Messier does it pretty much all the time 24/7.
What you really want in a coach is the ability to communicate/teach but in terms of experience, someone who did NOT have the most natural talent and had to learn to adapt and adjust and work within what they had so they could manage and then teach that to maximize someone elses talent.
SmokyMetal060
Like other people have said, being a good player != being a good coach.
UnconsciousUsually
Olde proverb: Those who can’t do teach.
HereticsSpork
The HMO line was a fun one to watch.
PringleGuy
I miss Paul Mara Beard Night.
wmm339
In fairness lacking talent and still getting to the show might give one knowledge in how to maximally tap one’s potential.
MikeyLikeyPhish
beckfan
And Ted Williams was one of the worst baseball managers of all time.
What is your point?
TheSasukeDive
I cringe every time I see the name Tanner Glass.
Sam_the_goat
Did you forget Tanner Glass elite sniper owned Carey Price in the playoffs?
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Wait until you hear about how many career points Peter Laviolette had.
Didn’t know Ryan Clowe worked for the Rangers. I remember being excited when we traded for him
Maybe this is controversial but Ortmeyer was a decent hockey player. Calling him one of the most untalented players of all time is quite a stretch
I forgot about TG, but I find it totally ironic that he would be working in player development. What tf does he add to their development? LOL
Talented players don’t always make for good coaches
Once again, Avery does not make the cut!
untalented players make the best coaches. they stayed on rosters by doing the little things to make up for their lack of talent. you can teach the little things, but you can’t teach talent.
to use a baseball reference, it’s the exact reason why barry bonds, one of the best hitters to ever play, sucked as a hitting coach on the marlins. he would just say “see the way the ball is spinning and predict where it’s gonna go and then hit it into the bleachers, because that’s what i did” and none of his players could do that because they didn’t have his talent.
you want a coach who can say “i used to have a ton of trouble with my passing back in my early days, here’s what i did to improve myself” and things of that nature.
This isn’t a bad thing.
Talented and gifted players tend to severely underestimate their own talent when giving retrospect of their careers and it colors their ability to connect and coach later on.
If something comes easy to you, you can continue on to something more advanced and keep going. So its harder to sometimes grasp why something that you found easy is so hard for someone else. As a coach you’ll want to work on something that gave you trouble or something that i advanced while having this student/player struggle with something that you don’t understand what they aren’t getting.
There’s a great story about this with Art Shell (football, former HC but also former OL). As a player, he was considered one of the greatest offensive lineman to play the game. He often talked about how hard he worked to get so good and how important his work ethic was (and he worked very hard). One time as a coach he was working with some lineman and they were having a problem with something he was teaching them. He couldn’t get what they found difficult so he popped in a video tape of himself doing it to show to the players.
They watched and told him there was zero chance they could do it the way he did. He was showing them a clip of him (when he weighted 285 or so) moving his feet like a ballerina. They flat out said they didn’t have the ability to do his footwork the way he did it that fast and quick with perfect technique. He was stunned, and they were stunned that he didn’t get that.
You also sometimes see this with Mark Messier when he talks about how being tough and gritty was a factor in his success and talking about leadership. What he often leaves out was that he was one of the fastest players in the entire NHL and was a gifted passer and gifted stick handler pretty much from the begining who was able to pick up and learn thing rapidly from other gifted players. When you are that talented and gifted, you underestimate those talents and gifts. Messier does it pretty much all the time 24/7.
What you really want in a coach is the ability to communicate/teach but in terms of experience, someone who did NOT have the most natural talent and had to learn to adapt and adjust and work within what they had so they could manage and then teach that to maximize someone elses talent.
Like other people have said, being a good player != being a good coach.
Olde proverb: Those who can’t do teach.
The HMO line was a fun one to watch.
I miss Paul Mara Beard Night.
In fairness lacking talent and still getting to the show might give one knowledge in how to maximally tap one’s potential.
And Ted Williams was one of the worst baseball managers of all time.
What is your point?
I cringe every time I see the name Tanner Glass.
Did you forget Tanner Glass elite sniper owned Carey Price in the playoffs?