This is fascinating and also an old quote and also he’s been an influential voice in the org over the past 5-6 years where we’ve absolutely been a dump heavy team
HockeyGuy601
I don’t watch their games but my understanding is that the Panthers play a very similar system to the Hurricanes and have made the finals twice in a row now. So that leads me to believe that their system can work but it also cannot completely compensate for a skilled top 6 and goaltending.
I wonder how much of that claim is subject to change with the landscape. Some strategies are inherently good or bad. Some are good or bad based on what everyone else is doing. It’s a very different league than it was in 2013.
AegonPaul
So Necas is getting a deal, sweet.
yemKeuchlyFarley
Look at how we’ve finished every season in recent memory and tell me our style is ineffective.
seftnir
It’s situational at the end of the day IMO. Teams like Flordia, Rags, and Boston sit back a bit more against us to get to the puck quickly after a dump, then try to get it out ASAP since we almost always dump it in. When a team does that, you’d want to carry it in more often. When they start creeping up to stop you carrying it in, then dump and chase so you’re getting to the puck about the same time as the defender. I’m not a hockey coach or anything, so feel free to tell me I’m an idiot on that analysis.
It’s like a football team that always tries to pass the ball even when the other team is dropping 9 into coverage or always running the ball when the other team loads up the box. Sure, every now and then you’ll break through and get a big play, but usually you’re stopped incomplete or little to no gain and have to punt it away.
NotTheATF1993
The good thing is, we can always go back to this play style or do a hybrid of this play style and whatever else they come up with. I could just be optimistic, but maybe if they change the play style, Necas might stay and have an incredible season.
88Caniac88
The irony being that one of the only forwards with the speed and ability to enter the zone with the puck they want to trade…
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This is fascinating and also an old quote and also he’s been an influential voice in the org over the past 5-6 years where we’ve absolutely been a dump heavy team
I don’t watch their games but my understanding is that the Panthers play a very similar system to the Hurricanes and have made the finals twice in a row now. So that leads me to believe that their system can work but it also cannot completely compensate for a skilled top 6 and goaltending.
[here’s the paper](http://www.hockeyanalytics.com/Research_files/Using%20Zone%20Entry%20Data%20To%20Separate%20Offensive,%20Neutral,%20And%20Defensive%20Zone%20Performance.pdf). It’s more than likely very outdated
Edit: [the more recent work](https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/jqas-2023-0019/pdf?licenseType=restricted) (that’s paywalled) illustrates the level of detail the org is going into with their research these days.
I wonder how much of that claim is subject to change with the landscape. Some strategies are inherently good or bad. Some are good or bad based on what everyone else is doing. It’s a very different league than it was in 2013.
So Necas is getting a deal, sweet.
Look at how we’ve finished every season in recent memory and tell me our style is ineffective.
It’s situational at the end of the day IMO. Teams like Flordia, Rags, and Boston sit back a bit more against us to get to the puck quickly after a dump, then try to get it out ASAP since we almost always dump it in. When a team does that, you’d want to carry it in more often. When they start creeping up to stop you carrying it in, then dump and chase so you’re getting to the puck about the same time as the defender. I’m not a hockey coach or anything, so feel free to tell me I’m an idiot on that analysis.
It’s like a football team that always tries to pass the ball even when the other team is dropping 9 into coverage or always running the ball when the other team loads up the box. Sure, every now and then you’ll break through and get a big play, but usually you’re stopped incomplete or little to no gain and have to punt it away.
The good thing is, we can always go back to this play style or do a hybrid of this play style and whatever else they come up with. I could just be optimistic, but maybe if they change the play style, Necas might stay and have an incredible season.
The irony being that one of the only forwards with the speed and ability to enter the zone with the puck they want to trade…