[Brandon J. Sommermann] “Talking with some agents today… many believe the final number on a Flyers Travis Konecny contract extension should come in around the mid 9s depending on term. One mentioned 6yr $9.5M would be very reasonable for both sides. #LetsGoFlyers”
How would we feel about this number? Just trying to gauge different opinions. Twitter is furious.
Not that bad of a contract for tk but does this fit our rebuild?
Love him but trade him if we get a haul back.
Hasn’t played 82 games in a few seasons?
Mat Tkachuk makes 9.5m next 6 seasons.
Wekilledit88
Would trading him be beneficial with picks? Absolutely. Would the cap be nice for other players? Absolutely. Am I gonna be mad he stays he long term? Absolutely not.
The cap is gonna keep going up, Atkinson and others like Risto will be off the books in a year or two most likely, and TK can play LW if needed. He was almost a 70 point player this year without a legit 1C and he brings leadership and consistency to the team. Add on the fact he became a decent penalty killer and I don’t mind him staying long term. If anything the shorter contract at 6 years isn’t bad considering we thought he was getting 8.
JvinD33
9.5m x 6? Pass
toupis21
At least it’s not 8 years if we are keeping him long term
PwillyAlldilly
I’d like a trade for him at this point. He isn’t the future. Stellar player, love him but we are ways away from competing for the cup seriously.
Big_Acanthocephala14
I’ve been an avid keep TK guy. Just saw another thread in r/hockey asking about legit underrated players. The top 2 were Kempe and TK. I don’t think it’s a mistake to keep him even at that money. There’s at the very least 5 more good years with him, hopefully more. 9.5 will likely be the going rate for the production he will offer down the line with the cap increases. All these contenders pay to have bad contracts taken off their hands. Why can’t we do this with TK if it comes to that? It’s a common practice and paying picks to take a bad contract shouldn’t be a bad thing in a time where picks mean next to nothing for us.
Roll-Me-Through
Not horrible. If we’re contending near the end of that contract, great. I would love to see us win the cup with him on the team. If we’re not contending, he’ll still have value and can chase a cup elsewhere if he wants, while bringing us back some assets after all. Kinda like happened with G. And if he wants to stay after the 6 year contract, he can sign a team-friendly deal at that point and save us a few million to use on other contracts
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diegler74
not even a point per game player, now worth almost 10m a year. And I like TK.
Farge43
People get hell bent on getting assets. Assets like picks are just lottery tickets. You’d be trading away a winning ticket hoping you get another good player. The only thing it’s costing is Comcast’s $$ as a percent of the cap. And while I understand the age piece when the team is in this “prime” people keep talking about the money has to go somewhere. Like Florida still had Ekblad. Good players don’t grow on trees and you need to pay for them.
Even if you trade TK. You 1) have to hope they don’t whiff on the pick and 2) 3 years after ELC it will be this exact same situation with further inflated contracts
Love him, he is the kinda guy I wanted to be a flyers captain.
But that’s way too much money for him. He’s a below point per game player, who almost never plays a full 82 game season.
HaMerrIk
No, it’s not reasonable, unless it’s a sign and trade.
DH28Hockey
I’m very much a “don’t sign a bad contract unless you absolutely have to” believer, and yes, 9.5 AAV for Travis Konecny is not a good number, period. I don’t think it will completely kill this team if they sign him to that, but I do not think they should do it
Interestingly enough, Briere’s language changed a bit in his most recent interview about the topic, saying (paraphrasing) “the deal would have to make sense for us”. Paired with Friedman reporting this morning that contract talks have been slower than expected and Pagnotta reporting earlier this week that teams have called on him, I wonder if the possibility of him being traded is a bit bigger than we might have originally thought
FaithlessnessSea1058
If the flyers not only keep TK when the clear rebuild move is to trade him but give him THAT contract I’m not sure how anyone can argue in good faith that this rebuild is not looking a whole lot darker
Tk is a winger which is our one position of strength in the entire organization. We have no 1C prospects we have no 1D prospects and we have no real ELITE young talent in the organization outside of Michkov either.
Trading TK does three things
1. We don’t give out a contract that we shouldn’t be giving out and overpaying a guy when we may actually be contending in 2027 and onward
2. We get assets to help us rebuild further and maybe find the 1C/1D that way
3. Trading him makes us a worse team and we get a top pick next year which again helps us find the 1C/1D that way
I’ve yet to see an argument not based entirely on emotion for keeping TK and even the people who say they want to keep TK often times seem to agree it’s the best choice logically to trade him but they just like the guy too much.
Arseling69
6 years would be fucking insane. Lock him up for his entire prime and nothing more. That’ll be fucking excellent holy shit.
Prudent-Psychology66
I wouldn’t do. We need absolute flexibility when we are ready to compete in a year or two. I love TK but he’s not a PPG player or a guy that’s going to be one of the best players on a championship team. He’s a great complementary player and to me I wouldn’t go past 8 million a year
ThePalmIsle
Move him for a younger C or D. No-brainer
qwopcircles
Coots might be the captain, but TK and Laughton are the heart and soul of this team. I was always cool with dealing or keeping him personally. Since we’re gonna have a lot of money coming off the books after this season is over (e.g. Atkinson, Petersen, DeAngelo, Johansen), $9.5M isn’t a terrible number. The guys I mentioned combine for over $15M. While TK isn’t on the same level as guys like Matthews and McDavid, he’s still a damn good player who can also bring an element of nastiness that any team would want. I just hope he can figure out how to shoot at more than just low-glove side sooner rather than later.
EDIT: Totally forgot about this, but TK is also a **BIG** reason why our penalty kill was so lethal this past year as well. Dude was top of the league for SHG. That’s worth a few million just by itself.
TrustTheProcess76_
He’s a fringe first liner on a team that’s actually contending and could barely score at a PPG pace with all the ice time and opportunities here
Overpay overpay overpay
If this team is serious about turning this thing around you ship out TK for players that fits Matvei’s timeline , not sign them for 2 million dollars more than they are worth
The_Flyers_Fan
I’d be ecstatic if they signed him to a six year deal. It might not be at the desired cap hit, but taking the last two years off that deal makes resigning the player much more palatable. The concern was always that being in his prime now, he might be falling off a cliff at the end of an eight year extension and his contract a massive overpayment. This alleviates that concern, it keeps a right winger in the system to rotate on the top two lines with mm. This is the best case scenario for the philadelphia flyers organization.
jlando40
I think Michkov coming should speed things up winning wise i don’t think trading for future assets is a good idea when you have two firsts this year and I believe two next year with Bonk Barkley and Rizzo being here as soon as next year so if a salary dump can be executed right they could do something like i don’t know signing Draisaitl next offseason
YoImAli
Would be an awful contract imo, as much as I like TK he’s just not really a franchise player and I think trading him would be more beneficial
Sammydaws97
Why are we debating on TK again? He is 27, so even an 8 year deal would expire before he hits 35. He plays Flyers hockey, is a home grown talent and seems to want to stay long term.
Like its not like he will be 40 when the team is in its cup window again.
Do you not build around him as your star winger?
lion0fthenorth
Brandon J. Sommermann is a complete fraud who doesn’t have any real connections whatsoever so take whatever he said with a cup of salt
Crosbyisacunt69
Just trade him and moce on. Konecney is a replaceable player (when the time comes when we need a player of his caliber). Save the money and time for a younger, better player.
AC_Lerock
not OK with this
OrangeFaithful
We talk about and have had players that “fit the mold”, “born to be a flyer”, etc. I think TK checks these boxes and is fun as hell to watch while being value add to his line mates. Keep him.
Steppyjim
Honestly at this point I’m good with either option. 9.5 is reasonable for what he brings, and 6 is a good term. Trade or keep I’m in
I think a lot of people think it’s easier to make trades in a professional sports league than it is. It’s easy to look at a sports writers blog and read that TK would totally be worth pick 7 from Ottawa. Or that the flyers could totally trade him for a haul of picks and prospects, then it is to actually convince a team to do it. Then People get all mas that the obvious trade that was “right there” wasn’t made like the FO is a bunch of idiots.
If we extend TK it’s because they value him more than they value what they could get for him. Which isn’t always a bad thing. I have no issue with 6/9.5. It’s not a fantastic deal but it’s not a bad one either, and with Michkov here now, it’s not such a bad idea to keep him to help with the kids development
Frozenpucks
9.5 is absolutely awful, wtf is this?
Empty-Preparation757
Horrible Need to trade him
curiosky
Love him as a player and this contract, as suggested, is probably fair value. I can’t imagine TK wouldn’t be asking for the 8 years in this situation thought.
Furthermore, one place we have depth is the wings. Our best forward is a winger, our three best forward prospects are wingers. We have no first line center or 1D. I think our best chance at getting the assets to get one of those is also TK.
tishmaster
Love konecny and would love him of shorter term. He deserves to get paid. But this just doesn’t fit our rebuild. He’s arguably played his best hockey already and there are plenty of teams that would give us great rebuild assets for him.
Feels like move designed to sell tickets rather than one that would get us a cup in the future and as fans we deserve a faithful commitment to the rebuild.
I love TK but I hope this doesn’t happen.
_JuicyPop
I love you TK and I’m sorry that we couldn’t get you even a good playoff run, but that contract is not good for this team in the state that it’s in.
This story is quoting agents. Of course they have an interest in inflating TK’s contract estimate because it helps their clients too. Maybe it’s accurate, but I wouldn’t expect them to undercut it.
spiiike
I love TK as much as the next guy but this would be overpaying. I buy that he hasn’t had the most awesome team around him always but he did play with Giroux in his prime. But that’s just a small side note.
But tell me what the benchmark for this is taking into consideration that he is turning 28, entering his ninth season and has never once reached 70 points? Career high is 68. And points is of course not the only metric that matters, there are also other ones and intangibles on top but I can’t see a contract that compares to this anywhere in the league. This would be like a top 5 players in the entire league type of contract and that’s not TK, a player that has only had 1 ppg average season can not get north of 9 million.
Cap hit going up by 1 or 2 or whatever million is irrelevant imo.
thisIS4cereal
Please do not sign him
mcslain
Love TK. But his numbers do not justify 9. 8 is a stretch even. He’s benefiting from being the best player on the team arguably. If he was on the Rangers or Panthers, they would be looking to sign for 7.
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Not that bad of a contract for tk but does this fit our rebuild?
Love him but trade him if we get a haul back.
Hasn’t played 82 games in a few seasons?
Mat Tkachuk makes 9.5m next 6 seasons.
Would trading him be beneficial with picks? Absolutely. Would the cap be nice for other players? Absolutely. Am I gonna be mad he stays he long term? Absolutely not.
The cap is gonna keep going up, Atkinson and others like Risto will be off the books in a year or two most likely, and TK can play LW if needed. He was almost a 70 point player this year without a legit 1C and he brings leadership and consistency to the team. Add on the fact he became a decent penalty killer and I don’t mind him staying long term. If anything the shorter contract at 6 years isn’t bad considering we thought he was getting 8.
9.5m x 6? Pass
At least it’s not 8 years if we are keeping him long term
I’d like a trade for him at this point. He isn’t the future. Stellar player, love him but we are ways away from competing for the cup seriously.
I’ve been an avid keep TK guy. Just saw another thread in r/hockey asking about legit underrated players. The top 2 were Kempe and TK. I don’t think it’s a mistake to keep him even at that money. There’s at the very least 5 more good years with him, hopefully more. 9.5 will likely be the going rate for the production he will offer down the line with the cap increases. All these contenders pay to have bad contracts taken off their hands. Why can’t we do this with TK if it comes to that? It’s a common practice and paying picks to take a bad contract shouldn’t be a bad thing in a time where picks mean next to nothing for us.
Not horrible. If we’re contending near the end of that contract, great. I would love to see us win the cup with him on the team. If we’re not contending, he’ll still have value and can chase a cup elsewhere if he wants, while bringing us back some assets after all. Kinda like happened with G. And if he wants to stay after the 6 year contract, he can sign a team-friendly deal at that point and save us a few million to use on other contracts
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not even a point per game player, now worth almost 10m a year. And I like TK.
People get hell bent on getting assets. Assets like picks are just lottery tickets. You’d be trading away a winning ticket hoping you get another good player. The only thing it’s costing is Comcast’s $$ as a percent of the cap. And while I understand the age piece when the team is in this “prime” people keep talking about the money has to go somewhere. Like Florida still had Ekblad. Good players don’t grow on trees and you need to pay for them.
Even if you trade TK. You 1) have to hope they don’t whiff on the pick and 2) 3 years after ELC it will be this exact same situation with further inflated contracts
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/05/16/nhl-draft-pick-probabilities/
Love him, he is the kinda guy I wanted to be a flyers captain.
But that’s way too much money for him. He’s a below point per game player, who almost never plays a full 82 game season.
No, it’s not reasonable, unless it’s a sign and trade.
I’m very much a “don’t sign a bad contract unless you absolutely have to” believer, and yes, 9.5 AAV for Travis Konecny is not a good number, period. I don’t think it will completely kill this team if they sign him to that, but I do not think they should do it
Interestingly enough, Briere’s language changed a bit in his most recent interview about the topic, saying (paraphrasing) “the deal would have to make sense for us”. Paired with Friedman reporting this morning that contract talks have been slower than expected and Pagnotta reporting earlier this week that teams have called on him, I wonder if the possibility of him being traded is a bit bigger than we might have originally thought
If the flyers not only keep TK when the clear rebuild move is to trade him but give him THAT contract I’m not sure how anyone can argue in good faith that this rebuild is not looking a whole lot darker
Tk is a winger which is our one position of strength in the entire organization. We have no 1C prospects we have no 1D prospects and we have no real ELITE young talent in the organization outside of Michkov either.
Trading TK does three things
1. We don’t give out a contract that we shouldn’t be giving out and overpaying a guy when we may actually be contending in 2027 and onward
2. We get assets to help us rebuild further and maybe find the 1C/1D that way
3. Trading him makes us a worse team and we get a top pick next year which again helps us find the 1C/1D that way
I’ve yet to see an argument not based entirely on emotion for keeping TK and even the people who say they want to keep TK often times seem to agree it’s the best choice logically to trade him but they just like the guy too much.
6 years would be fucking insane. Lock him up for his entire prime and nothing more. That’ll be fucking excellent holy shit.
I wouldn’t do. We need absolute flexibility when we are ready to compete in a year or two. I love TK but he’s not a PPG player or a guy that’s going to be one of the best players on a championship team. He’s a great complementary player and to me I wouldn’t go past 8 million a year
Move him for a younger C or D. No-brainer
Coots might be the captain, but TK and Laughton are the heart and soul of this team. I was always cool with dealing or keeping him personally. Since we’re gonna have a lot of money coming off the books after this season is over (e.g. Atkinson, Petersen, DeAngelo, Johansen), $9.5M isn’t a terrible number. The guys I mentioned combine for over $15M. While TK isn’t on the same level as guys like Matthews and McDavid, he’s still a damn good player who can also bring an element of nastiness that any team would want. I just hope he can figure out how to shoot at more than just low-glove side sooner rather than later.
EDIT: Totally forgot about this, but TK is also a **BIG** reason why our penalty kill was so lethal this past year as well. Dude was top of the league for SHG. That’s worth a few million just by itself.
He’s a fringe first liner on a team that’s actually contending and could barely score at a PPG pace with all the ice time and opportunities here
Overpay overpay overpay
If this team is serious about turning this thing around you ship out TK for players that fits Matvei’s timeline , not sign them for 2 million dollars more than they are worth
I’d be ecstatic if they signed him to a six year deal. It might not be at the desired cap hit, but taking the last two years off that deal makes resigning the player much more palatable. The concern was always that being in his prime now, he might be falling off a cliff at the end of an eight year extension and his contract a massive overpayment. This alleviates that concern, it keeps a right winger in the system to rotate on the top two lines with mm. This is the best case scenario for the philadelphia flyers organization.
I think Michkov coming should speed things up winning wise i don’t think trading for future assets is a good idea when you have two firsts this year and I believe two next year with Bonk Barkley and Rizzo being here as soon as next year so if a salary dump can be executed right they could do something like i don’t know signing Draisaitl next offseason
Would be an awful contract imo, as much as I like TK he’s just not really a franchise player and I think trading him would be more beneficial
Why are we debating on TK again? He is 27, so even an 8 year deal would expire before he hits 35. He plays Flyers hockey, is a home grown talent and seems to want to stay long term.
Like its not like he will be 40 when the team is in its cup window again.
Do you not build around him as your star winger?
Brandon J. Sommermann is a complete fraud who doesn’t have any real connections whatsoever so take whatever he said with a cup of salt
Just trade him and moce on. Konecney is a replaceable player (when the time comes when we need a player of his caliber). Save the money and time for a younger, better player.
not OK with this
We talk about and have had players that “fit the mold”, “born to be a flyer”, etc. I think TK checks these boxes and is fun as hell to watch while being value add to his line mates. Keep him.
Honestly at this point I’m good with either option. 9.5 is reasonable for what he brings, and 6 is a good term. Trade or keep I’m in
I think a lot of people think it’s easier to make trades in a professional sports league than it is. It’s easy to look at a sports writers blog and read that TK would totally be worth pick 7 from Ottawa. Or that the flyers could totally trade him for a haul of picks and prospects, then it is to actually convince a team to do it. Then People get all mas that the obvious trade that was “right there” wasn’t made like the FO is a bunch of idiots.
If we extend TK it’s because they value him more than they value what they could get for him. Which isn’t always a bad thing. I have no issue with 6/9.5. It’s not a fantastic deal but it’s not a bad one either, and with Michkov here now, it’s not such a bad idea to keep him to help with the kids development
9.5 is absolutely awful, wtf is this?
Horrible
Need to trade him
Love him as a player and this contract, as suggested, is probably fair value. I can’t imagine TK wouldn’t be asking for the 8 years in this situation thought.
Furthermore, one place we have depth is the wings. Our best forward is a winger, our three best forward prospects are wingers. We have no first line center or 1D. I think our best chance at getting the assets to get one of those is also TK.
Love konecny and would love him of shorter term. He deserves to get paid. But this just doesn’t fit our rebuild. He’s arguably played his best hockey already and there are plenty of teams that would give us great rebuild assets for him.
Feels like move designed to sell tickets rather than one that would get us a cup in the future and as fans we deserve a faithful commitment to the rebuild.
I love TK but I hope this doesn’t happen.
I love you TK and I’m sorry that we couldn’t get you even a good playoff run, but that contract is not good for this team in the state that it’s in.
Is anyone an Evolving Hockey subscriber? I’d love to know what they project for TK’s contract: [https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/contract_projections](https://evolving-hockey.com/stats/contract_projections)
This story is quoting agents. Of course they have an interest in inflating TK’s contract estimate because it helps their clients too. Maybe it’s accurate, but I wouldn’t expect them to undercut it.
I love TK as much as the next guy but this would be overpaying. I buy that he hasn’t had the most awesome team around him always but he did play with Giroux in his prime. But that’s just a small side note.
But tell me what the benchmark for this is taking into consideration that he is turning 28, entering his ninth season and has never once reached 70 points? Career high is 68. And points is of course not the only metric that matters, there are also other ones and intangibles on top but I can’t see a contract that compares to this anywhere in the league. This would be like a top 5 players in the entire league type of contract and that’s not TK, a player that has only had 1 ppg average season can not get north of 9 million.
Cap hit going up by 1 or 2 or whatever million is irrelevant imo.
Please do not sign him
Love TK. But his numbers do not justify 9. 8 is a stretch even. He’s benefiting from being the best player on the team arguably. If he was on the Rangers or Panthers, they would be looking to sign for 7.
I’d offer him 8×8 or 9×6 or 10×4. His choice.
That’s a great deal get it done