If there is one thing clear about Rick Tocchet hockey, its that he covets big defensemen! Patrik Allvin and Jim Rutherford have done an excellent job of cornering the market on these mutants, from Carson Soucy, to Nikita Zadorov, and now Derek Forbort plus Vincent Desharnais! However, size on the back end does not always equal competence. In this video, I break down the positives and negatives of each of the Canucks new defensemen!
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What are your thoughts on these two signings? Other than Zadorov, is there anyone you would have rather signed?
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Given that their options were resign Zadorov and ice a very thin team especially on defence, they did very well. On a positive note, is any team going to look forward to coming to Vancouver or playing the Canucks in general? They're stocking up on painkillers before they get here. This team is going to hurt people – and they're pretty deep. DeBrusk is good for 25 goals in a down year without Pettersson and he's no slouch physically. Sure, Forbert and Desharnais aren't going to won anyone with either their offensive or defensive ability, but they're basically 6-7 guys who will be brutal to play against. That's what Allvin complained about when he first got here. That the Canucks were essentially soft. Now they have a coach who demands hard play and Allvin is assembling a roster that can hurt teams – both on the scoreboard and in other ways. Zadorov could do that too, but there's no way the Canucks should be paying a bottom pair D 6 million.
I honestly have faith in these guys, and Juulsen could easily slip in next to one of these guys. I wouldn't be surprised if Myers were brought down to 3rd paring to help out Forbort during normal play tbh. All in all, while there are some hiccups, I like this. Some real playoff-ready physicality.
Mutants???
IMO the team didn’t rlly get that much better or worse, slight improve offensively, slightly got worse at the back end. For them to seriously be contenders think the team needs to trade for another top 6 winger and top 4 puck moving dman ie Vatrano and Marcus Pettersson as realistic options. I’d be ok with trading away a 1st as we are currently in our cup window, along with Hoglander and podz if they don’t elevate their game this year
Love your videos! Great work. Very informative.
I think these 2 d-man can improve under the Tocchet coaching staff with Adam Foote & Sergei Gonchar. Look at what they did with Tyler Myers making a player the fans wanting to ship out ASAP to being a very solid 2nd pairing. They took Hronek who was a decent player and made the him one of the elite d-man alongside a Norris winner in Hughes. No doubt this coaching staff can get the best out of these guys as well.
Just subscribed because I liked how short simple and informative your videos are😊
I hope they work out but if they don’t they are replaceable, remember when we were signing guys like this for our top pairing? Feels like 1st world problems
I wouldn't mind seeing Soucy with one and Myers with the other and have both pairings split the non Hughes Hronek minutes!?
Rutherford and Allvin are playing Moneypuck and doing quite well at it.
Subscribed. Quite impressed with the depth of your analysis and the brevity. Keep up the great work.
If any of these new d-men fails, I wonder if Jett Woo might have a shot at being called up?
😂 professor X
Canucks just got slower and weaker on defence
I think Desharnais can improve to become a slightly worse Zadorov with the help of our coaching team, but Forbort seems too risky to bank on given his injury history. Good thing he is only signed for a year.
Forbort is ass
sad to see desharnais go, but good luck at the canucks
I’m a little concerned with the bottom pair but improving the forward core had to come from somewhere. It would have been nice to get someone like carrier but I can see what they’re going for here
Forborts metric PK is 99
Luke was right Canucks suck. And like the sabres they will never win a cup..alvin is a dolt, The owners are a joke don't spend money on marquis players..lindh9lm/zadorov/ their best players in playoffs and wont sign them is proof of there incompetence. Wouldnt give Z an extra 300k to stay? Owners dont have winning mentality and never spend. Dont say the cap, they can make room. The best forward theyve had in 30 years is marcus naslund..messier didnt count..its a loser franchise for a loser city. Luke was right. Managing money doesnt win cups spending does
As a Bruins fan I'll tell you that Forbort is amazing at killing penalties. Everything else not so much. But as a bottom third sixth defenseman he's not too bad.
This team is being built for Rick Tocchet. So I trust the process. As well they have Adam Foote and Sergei Gonchar, two Stanley Cup champions coaching the defensive end. I believe they can mold anyone into the player they need.
Good content. I like hearing both the upside and downside of a players.
Did you say branstrom is right handed?
You're from Surrey @TheBluelineHockey??
I AM A BRUINS FAN AND FORBORT IS NOT A MUTANT. IN FACT HE IS THE OPPOSITE. HE IS A LIABILTY ON THE ICE, HE IS NOT PHYSICAL , CANNOT PLAY AGAINST OTHER TEAMS TOP 6 AND ADDS ZERO OFFENSE. WHEN HE BECAME HEALTHY HE WAS BENCHED IN THE PLAYOFFS BECAUSE HIS DECISION MAKING WAS AWFUL. HE IS AT BEST A NUMBER 6 DEFENSEMAN ON A TEAM THAT BARELY MAKES THE PLAYOFFS AND A HEALTHY SCRATCH FOR A TEAM WITH HIGH ASPIRATIONS. GLAD HE IS NO LONGER A BRUIN
The Team Also Got Tougher
Absolutely gutted to see deharnais go, but seeing the 2 mill price tag is why for sure. And redeeming qualities? That height, reach, commitment to the team and the system and he's more of a two way than defensive def. He does make mistakes and stumbles, but I think that is the inexperience, just give him minutes and a great linemate. This 2 mill is like a projection of his potential value, so 1 year makes sense so he can be given these minutes. Sad to see him go, especially to a rival but all the more reason to watch the Canucks. Proud of edm and vinni!
😂😂Forbort is absolutely not a mutant. Boston fans have wanted that guy shot out of a canon for years, you’re gonna hate him lol.
Honestly i saw this commet somewhere else buts its spot on. Alvin hand picked players who look like toccet style players and will improve greatly under him. Canucks forward core got alot deeper and the dcore at worst stays the same and at best, will be hell to play against
I hope vinny does well for vancouver
Steve Yzerman loves staring into the distance, channeling Joe Biden and wondering why no free agents want to come to Detroit.
Desharnea cannot skate …
Pretty weak defence now. Debrusk is streaky probably better in the playoffs. The real issue here is Pettersson if he plays like he did in the last half of the year we’re in trouble.
two for the price of 1 I like it
1:43 Thumbs-down for calling a slap shot a "clapper". Come on MAN this is Canada! We don't need some US basketball commentator spin changing the hockey language (that's where clapper came from).
we say Z (rhymes with ed)
we spell it colour (not color)
we say slap shot….never clapper (OMG that's lame)
As an Oiler fan l am sad to see Vinny go but l get it, you are 29 years old and you gotta take care of yourself financially. I know Vinny wanted to work something out but it's a business right? Canuk fans you are getting a really good defenseman with a huge reach. Great team guy who plays smart. You guys lost Zaborov who l thought was over rated and the replacements are better team guys. Vinny l think will become a fan favorite there . Gl and thx for your play in Edmonton.
Oilers PP destroyed everybody including the Canucks. seems like a bit of an over reaction to focus so much on PK when their own PP is even worse.
Z was overrated. Less points than Myers and got suspended just another dirty player that will cause problems in Boston.
got poolman on ltir, they dont use ltir till the start of the season (opening day roster )so…
Was gonna get an oilers Vinny D jersey, might have to get a nucks one instead