Shhh Drury is just moving in silence, even the FAs don’t hear him
InevitableHome343
This would’ve been a slam dunk for us.
InDisgust0
The plan is to let these free agents sign. Then trade for them. 4D chess
Green_Dark5049
Thankfully not this. Tarasenko was one of the least effective forwards for the Panthers in the playoffs. He did score a big goal but was mostly a ghost in the late rounds.
funkingrizzly
Nothing. Wait til deadline and trade a bunch of picks for some stiff you never heard of.
raspygatsby
Drury is freeing up cap space to essentially trade for McDavid during the season OR sign Mac Daddy next off season. The fact the fan base isn’t seeing the writing on the wall is funny to me.
Dru had/has no interest in any current free agent. Will ride with what he has and not overpay anyone.
I believe Trouba will eventually be gone and the only mistake Drury believed he made via signing/overpaying was Goodrow, so he took care of it as his first order of business this off season.
KorbanDallas90
I heard from my 7/11 guy that we’re getting Mcdavid.
culturebarren
It seems like: Drury asked Trouba for his 15 team list, he wasn’t required to give it to them until Monday at 6, he did not want to move so he waited until Monday at 6, by which time the guys Drury to wanted to sign were off the market, so they might as well stick with Trouba for now. Don’t love it
Key-Tip-7521
Nothing tbh. Tarasenko is old. He’s not a top 6 quality player anymore but a good top 9 player. Wait until the trade deadline until maybe, just maybe the Red Wings are out of the playoff picture to maybe get him.
Have patience w/Drury. He knows 31 needs a contract
superchronics
Oh hell yeah!! Another post about an ex ranger we shouldn’t have signed. Gotta grab my wife!! Babe!!! Guess what!!!
09-24-11
Term is key here. Drury isn’t adding anyone more than a 1 year deal. He knows Igor, Laf and Miller extensions will cost $25 million AAV and he can’t have anything in the way of that.
Im pretty tough on Drury but i respect his vision here.
Krispyford
Our 1RW is calling from inside the house. It’s Laf. We don’t need Vlad. We don’t need Kane. We don’t need any of the underperforming, overpaid wingers that got huge deals the other day. Laf is out 1RW. If he can’t unlock Mika/Kreider, nobody will. Put Smith with Vinny and Bread. They’ll elevate his game. He’s not the idea 2RW but he’s the one we have right now. Kakko at 3RW. 4RW is whoever. We’re not as bad on the right side as people think.
smithif
God this fanbase is so dumb. Everyone complains about all the bad contracts the team has and then also gets upset when the team doesn’t hand out more bad contracts.
Alitaki
The Rangers have about 36M in cap space for 25-26 with 9 players under contract. Igor is asking for 12M+. Best case scenario, Drury talks him down to 10M. Lafreniere is going to be in the 6M range if he continues to break out and that’s being conservative. Miller is close to 5M right now so even a conservative raise puts him just under 6M, but let’s go super conservative and say 5M. That’s 21M and now the Rangers have 12 players under contract with 11 more needing to be signed to fill out the roster. And this is without Kakko being signed, though I’m sure most of you would be happy to walk away from him. What happens if he has a good season?
Looking at the contracts and terms handed out on Monday, how do you work 11 players with 15M in cap space AND hand out contracts in the ranges that were signed on Monday?
Even this contract that Tarasenko signed would cause the Rangers problems and this one isn’t anywhere near as bad as the ones handed out on Monday. 4.75M is almost a third of the remaining 25-26 cap and the Rangers are still 10 players short of a roster.
The Rangers were *never* going to hand out big contracts with term this offseason. If you thought otherwise you were deluding yourself. At best they would have tried to get guys for a one year deal, if any of them were willing to accept. That’s why Kane was attractive to them.
Of course this hinged on being able to remove Trouba from the cap. Drury botched this up royally. He should have just bit the bullet and bought him out. Now they’ve missed their chance at that and will need to take Lindgren to arbitration in order to get another buyout chance.
There’s another issue here that’s being overlooked. Anyone find it strange that a lot of these big contracts were announced within the first hour? There was a whole lot of talks being done before the opening bell and it seems to me that these were deals that were agreed upon prior to the UFA market opening. Drury probably wouldn’t have gotten a shot any of these guys even if they were able to trade Trouba.
Direct_Crab6651
Nothing. We are doing nothing.
There have been some value guys out there who we could have signed for league minimum deals but nope ….
Drury has a lot to prove in my mind ….. I will never get over the Buch deal. Drury said “There’s only so much cap space to go around. . so much ice time to go around. I feel pretty good, very good about our depth at winger with the draft picks we’ve had and with veterans we’ve signed. That’s about it.”
So we not only got rid of a stud WE MADE to clear cap space but to get younger better players ice time ….. according to Drury ……. Those younger better players …..
Kaapo Kakko and Vitali Kravtsov
How’s that going 🤦♂️
Informal_Abies_9310
TL:DR :
People who think we did good by not signing anyone so far are gravely mistaken. We absolutely needed to sign Lindgren and Trouba’s replacements long term. Lot’s of defensemen signed cheap long term deals and we should have grabbed one of them. Yes signing a Tarasenko, Toffoli, or Bertuzzi would have been asinine.
Cap Geek is factoring a 4 million increase next year. That isn’t even a known value. Odds are the Game continues to grow and you are going to see a 5 million dollar increase over the next 2 years. That puts the cap limit at 99 million.
After 2 years we have 35 million in cap hits already signed. Simple math 99 – 35 ….leaves you with 64 million in cap space. Only people signed are Mika/Tro/Carrick/Fox/kreider/Chytil.
You have no goalies. 1 Defensemen. 3 Centers, and 1 LW.
All 4 RW slots have to be filled. 3 LW slots needed. 5 Defensemen. And 2 goalies.
**Defense First:** What 3 years from now might look like………
Trouba is gone. Lindgren is gone.
K’Andre will get 6 to 7 million hopefully with term.
Schneider will either be at the end of a bridge deal or need a new deal. Figure 5 million as I doubt his point totals increase all that much.
Jones will be on his bridge deal probably 3 million or less.
So that is 15 million plus Fox’s salary. Which is 9.5 million. 4 quality defenders equaling 24.5 million total. Now you add in a Pesce at 5.5 million or Bredan Dillion at 4 million. And figure 1 of the kids…..hopefully this years 1st round pick pans out by then. So that is 32 million on your top 6 defense. As a reference point…the Capitals, Vegas, and Bruins are all today 1 million or so short of that.
That is a great future on the backend.
So Drury not signing Pesce or Dillion was a mistake. And a big one. I am not saying it had to be those guys. It could have be Ghostibere or Skjei. You needed to trade away Lindgren’s rights and pick up 1 of them this offseason.
Now for the Forwards : What the roster might look like cap wise in 3 years…..
There is 26 million tied up, basically in 3 centers, a LW, and a utility player.
Panarin will resign maybe 3 or 4 year deal for 6 to 8 million.
Laf will get 5 to 7 million on his next contract.
My best guess is most of the rest will be long gone by this time. 41 million likely tied up in forwards in the 26/27 season. Obviously alot can change from this….41 plus 32 million in 73 million. 98 million – 73 million leaves the team with 25 million to sign Shersterkin and back up.
Figure 10 goes to Shersterkin on the positive side.
Leaves 15 million to fill out 3 RWs and 2 LWs.
If the GM can’t figure out how to sign 5 players in mid to bottom 6 roles well ….guess you are not a good GM.
Bottom line is Drury whiffed big time and this is going to hurt us in the long run. While McDavid/Eichel are always a possibility that doesn’t solve the defensive issues we have. This summer there were so many talented RHD and LHD for cheap. And they all signed elsewhere. Pesce, Roy, Tanev, Dillon, Zadorov, Sean Walker, Gostisbehere………all guys who are solid defenders and signed for 6 million or less with some term. In Tanev’s case …yeah the length of the contract is too much, but you have 3 years to make it work. Worst case you buy him out. Rest all quality defenders that are 29 or younger. And 6 million and below really isn’t all that much. We are paying 8 million right now for a buffoon that scores 3 or 4 goals all year and maybe 30 assists! He never lived up to that contract no matter which way you look at it.
Anyone who is disappointed in this off-season so far has every right to be disappointed. The plan should have been to get better defensively. I 100% agree forwards are not a reason to be sour. Not signing Guentzal or whoever is irrelevant. It is proven with 2 ECF appearances …we have the talent up front. The long term issue is …is Lindgren going to hold up? Is Trouba going to be effective at all next season? Those 2 needed to be addressed. That simple.
Schultz is still a quality option for cheap. I hope we offer him something and he is willing to come here.
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Shhh Drury is just moving in silence, even the FAs don’t hear him
This would’ve been a slam dunk for us.
The plan is to let these free agents sign. Then trade for them. 4D chess
Thankfully not this. Tarasenko was one of the least effective forwards for the Panthers in the playoffs. He did score a big goal but was mostly a ghost in the late rounds.
Nothing. Wait til deadline and trade a bunch of picks for some stiff you never heard of.
Drury is freeing up cap space to essentially trade for McDavid during the season OR sign Mac Daddy next off season. The fact the fan base isn’t seeing the writing on the wall is funny to me.
Dru had/has no interest in any current free agent. Will ride with what he has and not overpay anyone.
I believe Trouba will eventually be gone and the only mistake Drury believed he made via signing/overpaying was Goodrow, so he took care of it as his first order of business this off season.
I heard from my 7/11 guy that we’re getting Mcdavid.
It seems like: Drury asked Trouba for his 15 team list, he wasn’t required to give it to them until Monday at 6, he did not want to move so he waited until Monday at 6, by which time the guys Drury to wanted to sign were off the market, so they might as well stick with Trouba for now. Don’t love it
Nothing tbh. Tarasenko is old. He’s not a top 6 quality player anymore but a good top 9 player. Wait until the trade deadline until maybe, just maybe the Red Wings are out of the playoff picture to maybe get him.
Have patience w/Drury. He knows 31 needs a contract
Oh hell yeah!! Another post about an ex ranger we shouldn’t have signed. Gotta grab my wife!! Babe!!! Guess what!!!
Term is key here. Drury isn’t adding anyone more than a 1 year deal. He knows Igor, Laf and Miller extensions will cost $25 million AAV and he can’t have anything in the way of that.
Im pretty tough on Drury but i respect his vision here.
Our 1RW is calling from inside the house. It’s Laf. We don’t need Vlad. We don’t need Kane. We don’t need any of the underperforming, overpaid wingers that got huge deals the other day. Laf is out 1RW. If he can’t unlock Mika/Kreider, nobody will. Put Smith with Vinny and Bread. They’ll elevate his game. He’s not the idea 2RW but he’s the one we have right now. Kakko at 3RW. 4RW is whoever. We’re not as bad on the right side as people think.
God this fanbase is so dumb. Everyone complains about all the bad contracts the team has and then also gets upset when the team doesn’t hand out more bad contracts.
The Rangers have about 36M in cap space for 25-26 with 9 players under contract. Igor is asking for 12M+. Best case scenario, Drury talks him down to 10M. Lafreniere is going to be in the 6M range if he continues to break out and that’s being conservative. Miller is close to 5M right now so even a conservative raise puts him just under 6M, but let’s go super conservative and say 5M. That’s 21M and now the Rangers have 12 players under contract with 11 more needing to be signed to fill out the roster. And this is without Kakko being signed, though I’m sure most of you would be happy to walk away from him. What happens if he has a good season?
Looking at the contracts and terms handed out on Monday, how do you work 11 players with 15M in cap space AND hand out contracts in the ranges that were signed on Monday?
Even this contract that Tarasenko signed would cause the Rangers problems and this one isn’t anywhere near as bad as the ones handed out on Monday. 4.75M is almost a third of the remaining 25-26 cap and the Rangers are still 10 players short of a roster.
The Rangers were *never* going to hand out big contracts with term this offseason. If you thought otherwise you were deluding yourself. At best they would have tried to get guys for a one year deal, if any of them were willing to accept. That’s why Kane was attractive to them.
Of course this hinged on being able to remove Trouba from the cap. Drury botched this up royally. He should have just bit the bullet and bought him out. Now they’ve missed their chance at that and will need to take Lindgren to arbitration in order to get another buyout chance.
There’s another issue here that’s being overlooked. Anyone find it strange that a lot of these big contracts were announced within the first hour? There was a whole lot of talks being done before the opening bell and it seems to me that these were deals that were agreed upon prior to the UFA market opening. Drury probably wouldn’t have gotten a shot any of these guys even if they were able to trade Trouba.
Nothing. We are doing nothing.
There have been some value guys out there who we could have signed for league minimum deals but nope ….
Drury has a lot to prove in my mind ….. I will never get over the Buch deal. Drury said “There’s only so much cap space to go around. . so much ice time to go around. I feel pretty good, very good about our depth at winger with the draft picks we’ve had and with veterans we’ve signed. That’s about it.”
So we not only got rid of a stud WE MADE to clear cap space but to get younger better players ice time ….. according to Drury ……. Those younger better players …..
Kaapo Kakko and Vitali Kravtsov
How’s that going 🤦♂️
TL:DR :
People who think we did good by not signing anyone so far are gravely mistaken. We absolutely needed to sign Lindgren and Trouba’s replacements long term. Lot’s of defensemen signed cheap long term deals and we should have grabbed one of them. Yes signing a Tarasenko, Toffoli, or Bertuzzi would have been asinine.
Cap Geek is factoring a 4 million increase next year. That isn’t even a known value. Odds are the Game continues to grow and you are going to see a 5 million dollar increase over the next 2 years. That puts the cap limit at 99 million.
After 2 years we have 35 million in cap hits already signed. Simple math 99 – 35 ….leaves you with 64 million in cap space. Only people signed are Mika/Tro/Carrick/Fox/kreider/Chytil.
You have no goalies. 1 Defensemen. 3 Centers, and 1 LW.
All 4 RW slots have to be filled. 3 LW slots needed. 5 Defensemen. And 2 goalies.
**Defense First:** What 3 years from now might look like………
Trouba is gone. Lindgren is gone.
K’Andre will get 6 to 7 million hopefully with term.
Schneider will either be at the end of a bridge deal or need a new deal. Figure 5 million as I doubt his point totals increase all that much.
Jones will be on his bridge deal probably 3 million or less.
So that is 15 million plus Fox’s salary. Which is 9.5 million. 4 quality defenders equaling 24.5 million total. Now you add in a Pesce at 5.5 million or Bredan Dillion at 4 million. And figure 1 of the kids…..hopefully this years 1st round pick pans out by then. So that is 32 million on your top 6 defense. As a reference point…the Capitals, Vegas, and Bruins are all today 1 million or so short of that.
That is a great future on the backend.
So Drury not signing Pesce or Dillion was a mistake. And a big one. I am not saying it had to be those guys. It could have be Ghostibere or Skjei. You needed to trade away Lindgren’s rights and pick up 1 of them this offseason.
Now for the Forwards : What the roster might look like cap wise in 3 years…..
There is 26 million tied up, basically in 3 centers, a LW, and a utility player.
Panarin will resign maybe 3 or 4 year deal for 6 to 8 million.
Laf will get 5 to 7 million on his next contract.
My best guess is most of the rest will be long gone by this time. 41 million likely tied up in forwards in the 26/27 season. Obviously alot can change from this….41 plus 32 million in 73 million. 98 million – 73 million leaves the team with 25 million to sign Shersterkin and back up.
Figure 10 goes to Shersterkin on the positive side.
Leaves 15 million to fill out 3 RWs and 2 LWs.
If the GM can’t figure out how to sign 5 players in mid to bottom 6 roles well ….guess you are not a good GM.
Bottom line is Drury whiffed big time and this is going to hurt us in the long run. While McDavid/Eichel are always a possibility that doesn’t solve the defensive issues we have. This summer there were so many talented RHD and LHD for cheap. And they all signed elsewhere. Pesce, Roy, Tanev, Dillon, Zadorov, Sean Walker, Gostisbehere………all guys who are solid defenders and signed for 6 million or less with some term. In Tanev’s case …yeah the length of the contract is too much, but you have 3 years to make it work. Worst case you buy him out. Rest all quality defenders that are 29 or younger. And 6 million and below really isn’t all that much. We are paying 8 million right now for a buffoon that scores 3 or 4 goals all year and maybe 30 assists! He never lived up to that contract no matter which way you look at it.
Anyone who is disappointed in this off-season so far has every right to be disappointed. The plan should have been to get better defensively. I 100% agree forwards are not a reason to be sour. Not signing Guentzal or whoever is irrelevant. It is proven with 2 ECF appearances …we have the talent up front. The long term issue is …is Lindgren going to hold up? Is Trouba going to be effective at all next season? Those 2 needed to be addressed. That simple.
Schultz is still a quality option for cheap. I hope we offer him something and he is willing to come here.