We were given some major news today as the St. Louis Blues have offer sheeted both Philip Broberg and Dylan Holloway at a combined cap hit of nearly $7 million. Tyler went live with a special Tuesday morning edition of the show to break it all down.
Can the Oilers match both? If they have to pick between the two, who should it be? He answered all of that and more on today’s stream.
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25 Comments
Need to let both go. Neither player is worth that offer sheet. Bye bye boys. We will move on.
I think a lot of people don't understand how LTIR works. Player's contracts have to factored into the total cap structure before the season starts, including any LTIR contracts. LTIR contracts is not extra cap space. Its dead money on the books. Then a team then calculates their total contracts at the start of the season including players they want to LTIR, they still have to be under the cap structure. Until this point, they then can put players on LTIR and create that space for teams to then make trades. But this doesn't happen until the season starts.
Example. Las Vegas traded for Weber's 7 million contract from Montreal. It was an LTIR contract and they did it in the offseason. Why would they do this? Because they wanted that extra space to sign more players. What they didn't realize is that Weber contract had to be part of their cap structure until the season starts. So that Weber's contract was actually hurting the Golden Knights, so they immediately traded that contract to the Coyotes, who then used Weber's contract to get to the cap floor.
Montreal also has Carey Price's contract for 10.5 million. Its dead money for them which they have had to carry for years. Last year they didn't even LTIR it, they just kept it on the books. This year Price's contract is still on the books but they also have 5 million of cap space available even with Price's contract on the books. If teams could carry LTIR contracts into the offseason, think how valuable Price's contract would be? It would be worth 3 first round picks. The length of the LTIR contract and the value of it. Price has been on LTIR for 3 years and 2 more years to go. It would be priceless to have that contract if LTIR would go into the offseason.
Why would you not want to put a contract on LTIR because a team then can accrue cap space and grow their cap space during the year so they can make trades at the deadline to go for the playoffs. If you have a contract on LTIR, you don't accrue any cap space.
Going to add another thing. The reason why people are so pissed with Las Vegas is that Mark Stone mysteriously gets injured during the season, gets his 9 million contract put on LTIR and then Vegas trades for players to add to the playoffs. Even then Vegas has had to let go players because they now have to deal with the cap shenanigans in the offseason. They lost good players this offseason. This is the loophole that managers want to squash and talk about a playoff cap limit would help limit this. There is no offseason LTIR, LTIR doesn't get factored in until the season starts then teams can decide to LTIR contracts.
There would have been no offer sheet if they had waited to sign no defense Skinner and hurt a lot Arvidsson. What does that say about the players you already have not signed. Should they not have signed them first, at least Broberg (2yr at 2.5/3mil). Then see how much room you have left. This could end up like the Campbell deal. Looks good on paper. Those should have been deadline deals. Could they have pulled a Lou Lamoriello and not submitted the contracts until their rfa's were signed?
If we match Broberg, every single one of you idiots will be calling him Nurse Jr. when he doesnt play to that salary
Blues have 51/50 contracts. How can they sign two more?
Match Brogberg and let Hollie walk. Sign UFA Steven Lorentz, who was a solid bottom 6 for the Panthers. And would be great in the Oilers bottom 6.
Another thing you said that the Oilers cannot trade them once they accept the offer. But can they trade both with the offer sheet to a team willing to and able to sign them. Maybe for cheaper signed players or greater picks. I think teams might be willing on a rebuilding team or any team to make sure St. Louis is not successful. All teams probably do not like offer sheets. If this is allowed there must be one team willing to help.
i will blame oiler mgmt team offer 3M skinner and resigned Perry to expect both RFAs will take 1M deal lol. what a move St Louis to screw Oiler Now every team in NHL knew Oiler is screw with cap. Holloway 2M and Skinner age 32 3M
Just found out that offer sheets can only be offered to players with a MINIMUM of 80 NHL games played. This is not valid.
You need to bring back Broberg. The team does not have a lot of depth on D and you never know about injuries. It sucks that you lose Holloway but the Oil have a lot more depth on offence than on D. Broberg will be an impact guy.
If we can keep both do. If we have to lose one, I say let Holloway go and keep Broberg. Kid really stepped up in the playoffs while Holloway was kinda disappointing. If we're honest we have enough depth up front, we don't have a solid D yet and if Broberg can keep up his game from the playoffs he will play regularly and solve a lot of problems.
Broberg for sure- Holloway if you can.
Can you trade Kane and Cecil
We don't need Yamamoto back!
Klefbom, Larsson, now Broberg. Oilers and Swedish defensemen don't mix.
Let them walk.
Hollaway has the physical play the Oilers need and could potentially live up to the contract but Broberg would be a huge overpay
lol i'm laughing the head off at the hypocrisy of the fact that a player accepted more money and it rubs you the wrong way.. if you did it to another team would it rub you the wrong way?.. literally st louis opened the check book for 2 players.. players have short careers on average.. need to know when the time is right to cash in.. Also i should point out who is going to PAY the oilers to take someone like ceci.. teams had to attach like a 2nd round pick to someone with an expiring contract and 3mil or so of cap hi..
The league has no respect for Bowman, this was calculated, this will keep happening… bad Bowman karma all around. FFS Oilers!
Buy to both. The path is not always greener. Especially in St.Louis. Oil will survive until the deadline and the blues won’t be in the playoffs. Broberg and Holloway can watch re-runs of McJesus hoisting the lord in 2025.
Jeff Jackson was doing so good and now he’s just dropped off the cliff.
What bugs me the most is that Holloway has been injured every single year, even when we signed him out of college, he was injured. Every year we rehabbed him and supported him. Then in a contract year we PLAY HIM WITH THE 3RD BEST CENTER ON THE PLANET FOR A PLAYOFF RUN!!! We turned him into the player he is today with all the chances we gave him and I feel like he stabbed us in the back. He's a prick
The Oilers weren't gonna take a 2nd round pick for Broberg or a 3rd round pick for Holloway in a trade…
Everyone was raving about Jackson’s free agent signings. Perhaps he wasn’t so smart given this situation
How many times can Broberg quit on this team, before we just say, there is the door?
PTO Jonathan Toews