[buffalo hockey now] The Sabres have only 3 players to show for the trades of Derek Roy, Jason Pominville, Thomas Vanek, and Ryan Miller from the early 2010s. See how those trades kick-started a 13-year drought
[buffalo hockey now] The Sabres have only 3 players to show for the trades of Derek Roy, Jason Pominville, Thomas Vanek, and Ryan Miller from the early 2010s. See how those trades kick-started a 13-year drought
Come on. Players walk all the time. Drafting is what kick-started this drought. 05-07, then 09-2015, was atrocious drafting. Then the unanimous picks you hit on in Reinhart and Eichel end up leaving. 2016 draft offers zero support we hit on ZERO later round picks in like 15 years with the exception of Olofsson. From 2012-2020 we didn’t hit on a single 2nd round pick. (McCabe to Peterka). Teams like Tampa won multiple cups with exceptional drafting. 05-08 went so well adding Briere and Drury because for 10 years before the 04 lockout we drafted- McKee, Tallinder, Afinogenov, Campbell, Kalinin, Kotalik, Miller, Gaustad, Roy, Pominville, Paille, MacArthur, Vanek, Stafford, Sekera, Kaleta. Some of those names were 2nd, 3rd, 6th, even 7th round picks that were all vital to the success of the entire team.
I_lurk_at_wurk
>The best part of the Pominville deal was the 16th overall draft pick in 2013 used to select defenseman Nikita Zadorov. Zadorov became a key piece in the trade to Colorado for center Ryan O’Reilly. The second-round pick was used to take Vaclav Karabacek, who never made it past AHL Rochester.
So, Pominville became Zadorov who became O’Reilly who became Tage. Hardly a failure.
Freeyourmind917
Oh great another article that explains why trading a bunch of aging, pending UFAs lead to the ongoing playoff drought 10 years later, because that core of players had accomplished so much as the leadership group in Buffalo during their primes and bringing them back as UFAs in their 30s definitely would have lead to prolonged organizational success.
“Roy’s career dwindled after the trade, but he still outvalued the compensation the Sabres received in return.”
That’s complete bullshit. Roy didn’t accomplish jack shit after he was traded.
Trading Pominville with just over a season left on his contract was a good trade. Like most 32 year old players who sign multi year deals, Pominville was overpaid on his next contract which is why he was a throw in a few years later in the Foligno, Ennis, Scandella deal.
“Vanek went on to play six very productive seasons after his departure.”
That must be why Minnesota bought him out two years later after the 15/16 season. He had a few nice years later in his career, but never accomplished much. He would’ve been another guy that would have been dumb to overpay when his deal expired after 13/14.
“If you’re looking to pinpoint the reason for the 13-year Sabres drought, it’s fair to point at Darcy Regier, Pat LaFontaine, and Tim Murray’s dismantling of the core as the beginning of the continued suffering.”
No. There are a lot of reasons, but if anything from that era had an affect on today’s drought, it was the horrible drafting and player development from the late aughts to the mid 10’s that left the cupboard pretty much completely bare. The ship was sinking regardless and Miller, Vanek, Pom and Roy playing here as overpaid, aging vets in the mid 10’s wouldn’t have changed a damn thing.
Radu47
From those trades directly received:
Carrier (very underrated)
Larsson (very underrated)
Zadorov
Guhle
Moulson
Stewart
Much more indirectly:
Ekane
Lehner
Upl
Tage
The Roy trade was egregious the return definitely needed to be prospects. That seems to be the big issue. They tried to retool but rebuild was ideal.
As ever I stand by the tim Murray plan to 100% rebuild, it got them awesome assets, it’s just he managed poorly on top of that and they didn’t spend the cap
Torrronto
The problem was Pegula. Terry didn’t want to tear the team down as soon as he bought it, so he greenlighted DR to sign anyone he could in free agency. They went hard for Brad Richards but ended up grabbing Leino.
When they started trading players away 2 seasons later, their value had plummeted.
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Come on. Players walk all the time. Drafting is what kick-started this drought. 05-07, then 09-2015, was atrocious drafting. Then the unanimous picks you hit on in Reinhart and Eichel end up leaving. 2016 draft offers zero support we hit on ZERO later round picks in like 15 years with the exception of Olofsson. From 2012-2020 we didn’t hit on a single 2nd round pick. (McCabe to Peterka). Teams like Tampa won multiple cups with exceptional drafting. 05-08 went so well adding Briere and Drury because for 10 years before the 04 lockout we drafted- McKee, Tallinder, Afinogenov, Campbell, Kalinin, Kotalik, Miller, Gaustad, Roy, Pominville, Paille, MacArthur, Vanek, Stafford, Sekera, Kaleta. Some of those names were 2nd, 3rd, 6th, even 7th round picks that were all vital to the success of the entire team.
>The best part of the Pominville deal was the 16th overall draft pick in 2013 used to select defenseman Nikita Zadorov. Zadorov became a key piece in the trade to Colorado for center Ryan O’Reilly. The second-round pick was used to take Vaclav Karabacek, who never made it past AHL Rochester.
So, Pominville became Zadorov who became O’Reilly who became Tage. Hardly a failure.
Oh great another article that explains why trading a bunch of aging, pending UFAs lead to the ongoing playoff drought 10 years later, because that core of players had accomplished so much as the leadership group in Buffalo during their primes and bringing them back as UFAs in their 30s definitely would have lead to prolonged organizational success.
“Roy’s career dwindled after the trade, but he still outvalued the compensation the Sabres received in return.”
That’s complete bullshit. Roy didn’t accomplish jack shit after he was traded.
Trading Pominville with just over a season left on his contract was a good trade. Like most 32 year old players who sign multi year deals, Pominville was overpaid on his next contract which is why he was a throw in a few years later in the Foligno, Ennis, Scandella deal.
“Vanek went on to play six very productive seasons after his departure.”
That must be why Minnesota bought him out two years later after the 15/16 season. He had a few nice years later in his career, but never accomplished much. He would’ve been another guy that would have been dumb to overpay when his deal expired after 13/14.
“If you’re looking to pinpoint the reason for the 13-year Sabres drought, it’s fair to point at Darcy Regier, Pat LaFontaine, and Tim Murray’s dismantling of the core as the beginning of the continued suffering.”
No. There are a lot of reasons, but if anything from that era had an affect on today’s drought, it was the horrible drafting and player development from the late aughts to the mid 10’s that left the cupboard pretty much completely bare. The ship was sinking regardless and Miller, Vanek, Pom and Roy playing here as overpaid, aging vets in the mid 10’s wouldn’t have changed a damn thing.
From those trades directly received:
Carrier (very underrated)
Larsson (very underrated)
Zadorov
Guhle
Moulson
Stewart
Much more indirectly:
Ekane
Lehner
Upl
Tage
The Roy trade was egregious the return definitely needed to be prospects. That seems to be the big issue. They tried to retool but rebuild was ideal.
As ever I stand by the tim Murray plan to 100% rebuild, it got them awesome assets, it’s just he managed poorly on top of that and they didn’t spend the cap
The problem was Pegula. Terry didn’t want to tear the team down as soon as he bought it, so he greenlighted DR to sign anyone he could in free agency. They went hard for Brad Richards but ended up grabbing Leino.
When they started trading players away 2 seasons later, their value had plummeted.