Steve Dangle, Jesse Blake and Adam Wylde discuss the Vancouver Canucks Trade Deadline moves including acquiring Filip Hronek and trading away Cutis Lazar. What are they doing?
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I loved Hronek, but he wasn't a good defensive defenseman. We ALWAYS had to shelter him. He was mistake prone and needed a responsible partner to attempt to bail out the team. Sometimes it worked, most of the time the rest of the shift was spent in our Dzone or there was a goal against. Good luck using Hronek to shelter Hughes, I cannot see that working.
The key thing about the Hronek trade is Hronek will be an RFA after next year.
I think it’s actually a relatively small chance that even if they play Hronek through the contract, and don’t resign him, you can likely flip him for a first. You’re banking on his trade value not going down.
You also make a move to make Quinn Hughes and Pettersson happy because, I matter what the fans think of a rebuild, those players do not. If they rebuild, they will want out, period.
I get why they made the move.
Tank nucks!!! Stop winning
The Sabres retooled when they were bad (Eichel reinhart risto) now they’re much better
It's pretty simple. They've committed to turning things around quickly with a core of Pettersson, Hughes, Demko, Kuzmenko and now Hronek. Quinn Hughes literally said yesterday that he wouldn't stay here for a rebuild. They're trying to shed salary and accumulate assets to flip for young players that can make a difference now. They've also been trying to get a quality RHD for years and now they have one.
Also, Curtis Lazar was a disaster here. They brought him in to be their 4th line centre and he couldn't win a faceoff or kill penalties.
alvin said they were not going to re-build. why else would a 27th place team trade away a 1st and 2nd rounder? and why trade boeser and miller? this is their group. they will buy out some contracts, try and pick up another top 3 defenceman and with demko looking like he's back and silvos as a strong back up, they just may make the playoffs next year. probably first round fodder but it seems that the owner will be happy to get a couple of home playoff games and call it a season.
Canucks are in desperate need of D-men, and they''re smart to pick up a guy like Hronek, who is having an awesome season and is a perfect fit on Quinn's right side as they look ahead to next season. What Team Tankers are forgetting is that a full rebuild means we lose the peak years of Quinn Hughes, Elias Pettersson, Andrei Kuzmenko, and Thatcher Demko. That would be a huge waste of superstar talent. Plus, all this talk of Bedard, when, with Vancouver's consistently poor draft lottery luck, the chances are very slim they'll get Bedard. What happens when they don't get Bedard and they've wasted the best years of their superstar core? Then the team is much worse off than they ever were. You have to understand that the people in management are seasoned hockey professionals (Rutherford has won Stanley Cups), so they know what they're doing. Do you honestly think that, as an obscure fan or media rep, you know better than seasoned hockey pros? No. They're doing the right thing by retooling while maximizing the peak years of their stars.
I thought they specified that players dealt after the deadline weren't allowed to play at all, regular season or playoffs. Allan tweeted it last year.
Bro, just pull that booger out of your nose already!
garland and boeser are not good.
What are they doing? Canucks are pretending that they're contending
I can look at the team like a car. Was parted out and generic parts replaced some of the original. No tires has a great engine. Missing, seat and steering wheel, but a couple parts are worth money so you trade for other parts. Bought a lot of cheap parts so you have to replace them. Eventually you have a full car. Right now no paint the motors not tuned up and runs okay. So much wrong might as well be a rebuild. But there is potential and optimism that the car could become a muscle car. I look at the car and it is 75% finished. Run it to hard you can still blow the motor. Crash it. Hard to build it up when you are cash strapped. Or just don't know how to mechanic. Next year we might be able to get it 85 to 90%. Need two more defensemen. Defense still wins games. Don't think you can ever get 100%.I can see a team 90% finished. Those last pieces won't be easy. Pretty close to tweaking time. I guess you can say custom parts. The car we had was Mickey Moused together.
We also sold a guy for Future Considerations. Woot woot
To be fair, this Canuck team is pretty stacked with talent. Their standing has to do with not having a backup goalie. Pettersson is a franchise forward. Hughes is a franchise defenceman. Demko is a franchise goaltender. Miller is a 90 point player. Canucks also have Kuzmenko, Hronek, Beauvillier who has put up more points than Horvat since the trade and absolutely fleeced the Rangers. Anybody that watched that game last night saw that Podkolzin was absolutely buzzing with Kravtsov.
The canucks issue is the cap hell that they've been put in with Myers and OEL. At the minimum, this is absolutely a playoff team in the west. Not going to win a cup, but absolutely a playoff team.
Screw ALL you pathetic haters!
GO CANUCKS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stop trading away our 1st and 2nd rounders!
It's painful being a Canucks fan. Hronek is a beauty, and I'm happy we got him – it was a steep price, don't get me wrong – but Hronek is easily the second-best defencemen we've had in years. So that really helps. We have a good forward core. We have a great goalie. We just have an AHL level blue line that gets destroyed by every team in the league, and that takes our good forward core and makes it worse because they cant transition out of our own end, and unless Hughes is on the ice, we can't keep the puck in the o-zone at the blue line either. And it makes our goaltenders look like sivs because they have to face 40+ shots every night.
We need to free up cap, and we can do that in the off-season if our management is smart. But it's hard to be confident in this team when Aquilini is still the ownder.
Crazy but true; the Canucks have more playoff series victories since 2019 than the Leafs do.
As a canucks fan, I hate everything about the last 24 hours
They did say they would do this. They didn't say why; they can't build a contender this way, and they must know it. In a cap league you have to optimize your contracts, and they have so many that… aren't necessarily bad (outside of OEL & Myers) but are just too much money spent in the wrong place (Boeser, Miller, Garland, Mikheyev).
I think they know that the most effective way to build a contender is to stockpile assets and try to tank, but ownership won't let them do that. So they're stuck trying to squeak into the playoffs and hope they maybe win a round due to Demko/ Pettersson/ Hughes before they get swept in the conference semis. That's the scope of their ambition.
Can we get a like super extra long episode or 2 episodes where you do some deep dives about each team and talk for real about them?
Canucks haven't had a good team since 2011. Gone downhill since.
Year 7 of the retool in Vancouver because a rebuild would take too long. lol
Team maple Leafs!!! Your team has been a failure for more years then the Canucks have been around. Look at yourselves as a failure
The Leafs are out in the first round against
The Canucks are going to suck and suck it hard in the mushy middle until Aquillini's family forces him to sell the team because he's embarrassing the family name. So, to hell with the Canucks and Go Oilers.
The Vancouver Canucks are a vaudeville act from Hell. They are a joke that ceased to be humorous a long time ago.
The Canucks are simple to understand. They have a clueless ownership that refuses to respect their fanbase and what they have been begging for for over 10 years now.
Is it just me or was the audio low? most the time i have it at 20 to 30% ( ik that dose not give anything context BUT ) having it at 50% rn it still a bit low?
Really impressed by Vancouver, Bouvillier have been better then Horvat and they got Raty and Hronek. Leafs on the other hand are the only contender that is selling their roster players for picks. First round exit again incoming
It seems too me that Vancouver's front office is happy having a team compete for a playoff spot in a "good" year, and never be considered a serious contender for the Cup.
Some people strive for dominance, others are content to wallow in mediocrity.
It would be nice to trade away OEL and Myers… How's are developing players doing??? If any do we even have any developing players??? Why are we constantly giving away our early round draft picks?!? I can't wait to see the Canucks management reaction when the re-tooling fails on them…..🙃🤡
Every family has that "special needs" child. NHL has 2.
People in Ontario think this guy on the left is cool? Another world
Refreshing to hear it from someone else since most Vancouver Canucks fans and media are over reactive crybabies
Who's a worse owner: Francesco Aquillini or Coyotes owner?
So basically we got…
Raty beauvillier and Hronek
For a 1st and 2nd? That’s a pretty good deal IMO with what horvat resigned for. Canucks would t have been able to keep him.
post the podcast
and yet they beat the leafs….to funny
You buy out oel and myers
The core 5 now in vancouver is:
Petey, Kuz, Hronek, Hughes, and Demko.
Retooling around this core is what I expect them to do. You trade away assets like Miller, Boeser, Garland, and maybe Pearson.
You keep Podz, Hoglander, Kravstov, Your 1st from this year, and Bear for potential long term support options. You are stuck with OEL and Myers until they expire so the retool takes 2 or 3 years with OEL as an anchor to come off eventually.
The Canucks are beating the Leafs! That's what they've been doing!
Wassssupppp!
“Keep sucking….
I believe in you!”
Lol!!!!
Steve quotes are awesome.
The Canucks have to go all-in next season. I expect some huge moves this offseason including some buyouts and cap dumps.
Canucks are so much better off today after moving Horvat for all this….
A few things you guys got wrong:
1. Myers after his 5M signing bonus is paid is NOT a negative asset anymore, heck, we don't even know if he's a negative asset right now, but we DO know he will have legitimate value when he's only owed 1M in salary, and Francesco Aquilini can probably be sold on paying out that signing bonus in order to get an asset for a pending UFA
2. Steve says that "most teams would not have immediately flipped the Islanders pick acquired as part of the Horvat deal", that's basically the saying that most of the league aren't playoff caliber teams
3. The team has two choices: either retool to build around Pettersson and Hughes, or scorch the Earth with a rebuild, but have to trade those two cornerstones. They can't have the best of both worlds in this case