WHY not put Wayne Simmons on Matthew's line with Marner? This will free up more space for Marner and Matthews. Simmons should have been in the line up in game #3 to fix a Bennet problem and slam bennet's head on the ice..repeatedly!
Sharpshooter,you hit the looney on the head,coaches are extremely over rated! Pewee,bantam,juniors,YES! For sure,afterwards,the players know the game,the playoffs are the pinnacle of ICE Hockey!
Stop expecting the core four to all of a sudden become gritty. You cannot change the stripes on a Tiger. They need two gritty guys with them on a line who can pass the puck to them as well as be gritty.
there is not a chance this core of high falluti scoring stars should be disasembled, good god man , its not like u can just come out of the box fresh and competitive……..oh wait Vegas or Seattle ……never mind, what a joke ,
I agree 100%. I'm curious what ownership would think if Leafs come back and make it a series but lose. I still think major changes need to be made. I would also look into their training scheme bc this team consistantly always has slow starts to season where teams steam roll over them in the 1st 10 games. Seems like it a training issue if it consistanly is happening.They have talented guys but they are being paid abit more then what was necessary I think.It certainly wasn't cup friendly contracts. That said not everyone can play in certain markets. Alot of variables play into.
Do you really think they are going to tear down the whole team? The addition of one or two key players COULD CHANGE EVERYTHING. The Leafs are one of the top teams in the league. My advice would be 'tweak, tweak, tweak' and try to stay away from the "I'm a really frustrated fan, WE ARE OWED A CUP, and I want you to blow it all up".
Nielander is the guy I would keep. Trade 34 & 16 for a number of quality players. Could probably get 4 or 6 very good āteam playersā for those two and youāve rebuilt half your team!
With Bettyman in charge, no Canadian team will win the Dtanley Cup. He wants all American teams promoted. IMO, Canadian teams are expendable fodder for hockey.
A sports organization is a centralized, command and control hierarchy. The Leafs were arguable in disarray and Shanahan appears to have imprinted a strong culture and has enabled moves like bringing in talent at the management, coaching and playing level. He, along with Dubas, have structured a professional minor league feeder system and the loyalty and opportunity extended to their minor league and now NHL coach is honorable. The most successful coaches in the NHL tend to have been around for a while and have brought along a successful ethos that they gained either as a player, previous coach and sometimes both. In the playoffs coaching will naturally go with the guys that got you there. The run and gun regular season offensive show sells tickets and jerseys and from that perspective the Leafs are thriving. As Kyprios noted, the playoffs are a different beast. The defense appeared to be flat footed and gave up repeated turnovers resulting in Goals. Goaltending wins Cups and virtually everyone with their name engraved on Lord Stanley's hardware benefited from a Goalie who was able to stand on his head for 10-12 weeks in the spring and early summer. So it appears the culture has been established and the organization from a business standpoint is humming. Professional sports is also about winning. A great culture can be diminished by a group that accepts non performance and losing year after year. For all players, the NHL is big business and big contracts that are paid in full from day 1 to the last day of the regular season ensure that their financial incentives are not aligned with a long and punishing post season. Mathews, Marner and the Connor McDavid's all have their financial security guaranteed regardless of whether they win a playoff round. Perhaps instead of a relatively nominal playoff bounty offered, The NHL could prorate contracts over 10 months from the opening game to the Cup final. Instead of paying tv money etc directly to teams, they could beef up the playoff pool. For example a player that signs a USD$8m contract becomes eligible for a 25% top up contribution from the NHL. The now USD$10m contract is prorated over 10 months (Sept-June) but the player only earns the back end of the contract if he is still alive in the playoffs and payments stop when teams are eliminated. This financially aligns players with a winning playoff outcome. The big contract owners proportionally earn more but even the grinders who have smaller contracts have a chance to massively improve their earnings. So changes to the Leafs are required. #1 priority IMHO is goaltending. The young guy Woll looked good when called upon and might have the secret sauce but Samsonov was often caught out of position and gave up too many weak goals. Move Samsonov Defense was outmatched with both Florida opponents and the Leafs need their Coffey, Leetch, Lidstrom anchors to transition up ice without turnovers. Emphasis on a combination of speed and nastiness. In terms of trade bait up front I think you need to shake things up. Not necessarily wholesale changes but certainly a blockbuster with at least one of Tavares, Marner or Mathews needing to go. A Losing attitude is a virus that needs to be cut out. Edmonton went all in this year and if they are also out in the 2nd round to Vegas perhaps there is a blockbuster McDavid and or Draissaitl for Mathews and or Marner. An explosive move that could shake up both rosters. Another move is Mathews and Samsonov for the #1 pick with Chicago. Grab a potential generational talent and clear cap space. Is a coaching change warranted? Perhaps. Keep in mind NHL coaches earn their chops through experience and just blowing the coach out does not change a losing culture. And it could be positive but only if a world class guy is ready to step in. Joel Quenneville comes to mind. He took a bullet for what happened in Chicago but is a proven winner. Also add a McSorley, Semenko type that offers the snipers a little more room to operate. Thoughts?
I think it' a fait accomplis that Dubas and Shanny will be around for the next 8 weeks. They'll be responsible for what happens for that. It'll be an interesting 8 weeks.
Everyone is missing what the leafs needs. The core is one of the best in the league. Leafs need a goalie. Thatās it. Thatās how Florida just beat them. They had the better goaltending.
The game is sure different in the playoffs. For instance, when a thug like Radko Gudas is allowed to get away with what he does, you have to have an answer for that.
Mmmm when it comes to building a team Iām going to trust the skill and intelligence of Dubas and Shannon over the pundits. The goaltending was the difference in the series – Toronto played well and at time outplayed Florida – but the guy between the pipes was the difference. The Leafs will get stronger and will break through – they have three to five years with this core group of superstars.
Enough is enough….Time to blow up the Laffs….Dubious has to go….OKeefe has to go….Shanny's plan is not working Core 4 is a great golf foursome….trade all 4….get Bedard pick from Chicago….keep Woll….trade for Hellebuyck….get two Connors not named McDavid but with heart….try to get OReilley to stay….get more players like him (ie like a Matthew Tkachuk)….1967 was long ago
it takes massive balls to change the lineup. Kudos to GM Zito to ship out Weegar and Huberdeau and moving a coach that gave them the President's Trophy. Hubi and Weegs didn't deliver in the PO last season, triggering to move out both of them. TML can't continue doing the same shit and expecting a different result.
It would monumentally foolish to trade Nylander, Matthews, Rielly and Marner specially with Knies joining the group now. O'rielly, Schenn, Macabe, Acciari, Bunting, TJ Brodie and Lilegren should also be kept, use the rest to trade and get bigger Dmen and a goalie. Keep Dubas and get a new coach that can bring out the best out of these guys.
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Matthews and Nylander to Chicago for first overall in the draft and fire Coach and GM.
WHY not put Wayne Simmons on Matthew's line with Marner? This will free up more space for Marner and Matthews. Simmons should have been in the line up in game #3 to fix a Bennet problem and slam bennet's head on the ice..repeatedly!
Sharpshooter,you hit the looney on the head,coaches are extremely over rated! Pewee,bantam,juniors,YES! For sure,afterwards,the players know the game,the playoffs are the pinnacle of ICE Hockey!
Great show. https://youtu.be/LZNcPbZJxBE – The New GO LEAFS GO song – and let's go for it all!
Stop expecting the core four to all of a sudden become gritty. You cannot change the stripes on a Tiger. They need two gritty guys with them on a line who can pass the puck to them as well as be gritty.
All u people think theres a chance wake up this series is over tonight
How about Hellerbuck for Nylander Leafs need a show stopper.
Fire & Trade EVERYONE. Complete rebuild.
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there is not a chance this core of high falluti scoring stars should be disasembled, good god man , its not like u can just come out of the box fresh and competitive……..oh wait Vegas or Seattle ……never mind, what a joke ,
Why not give Simmons a chance. Itās like the leafs brass thinks leaf fans enjoy eating shit from 2 bit punks
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I agree 100%. I'm curious what ownership would think if Leafs come back and make it a series but lose. I still think major changes need to be made. I would also look into their training scheme bc this team consistantly always has slow starts to season where teams steam roll over them in the 1st 10 games. Seems like it a training issue if it consistanly is happening.They have talented guys but they are being paid abit more then what was necessary I think.It certainly wasn't cup friendly contracts. That said not everyone can play in certain markets. Alot of variables play into.
Yes they need to play like Tkachuk, who has 0 goals in the second round of the playoffs.
Itās obviously difficult to not just come right out and say the Leafs best forwards are a bunch of soft sissies.
Do you really think they are going to tear down the whole team? The addition of one or two key players COULD CHANGE EVERYTHING. The Leafs are one of the top teams in the league. My advice would be 'tweak, tweak, tweak' and try to stay away from the "I'm a really frustrated fan, WE ARE OWED A CUP, and I want you to blow it all up".
toronto don t need big change tavares is to slow the goalie position need reinforcement like a philipp grubauer
Leafs core 4 = soft
Marshmallows Team is too soft & have no MENTAL TOUGHNESS during the playoffs.
Matthew's dissappears again!! Overpaid bum!! The Make beliefs will never win another Cup!! Harold Ballard won't let it happen!!
Nielander is the guy I would keep. Trade 34 & 16 for a number of quality players. Could probably get 4 or 6 very good āteam playersā for those two and youāve rebuilt half your team!
With Bettyman in charge, no Canadian team will win the Dtanley Cup. He wants all American teams promoted. IMO, Canadian teams are expendable fodder for hockey.
A sports organization is a centralized, command and control hierarchy. The Leafs were arguable in disarray and Shanahan appears to have imprinted a strong culture and has enabled moves like bringing in talent at the management, coaching and playing level. He, along with Dubas, have structured a professional minor league feeder system and the loyalty and opportunity extended to their minor league and now NHL coach is honorable. The most successful coaches in the NHL tend to have been around for a while and have brought along a successful ethos that they gained either as a player, previous coach and sometimes both. In the playoffs coaching will naturally go with the guys that got you there.
The run and gun regular season offensive show sells tickets and jerseys and from that perspective the Leafs are thriving. As Kyprios noted, the playoffs are a different beast. The defense appeared to be flat footed and gave up repeated turnovers resulting in Goals. Goaltending wins Cups and virtually everyone with their name engraved on Lord Stanley's hardware benefited from a Goalie who was able to stand on his head for 10-12 weeks in the spring and early summer. So it appears the culture has been established and the organization from a business standpoint is humming.
Professional sports is also about winning. A great culture can be diminished by a group that accepts non performance and losing year after year. For all players, the NHL is big business and big contracts that are paid in full from day 1 to the last day of the regular season ensure that their financial incentives are not aligned with a long and punishing post season. Mathews, Marner and the Connor McDavid's all have their financial security guaranteed regardless of whether they win a playoff round.
Perhaps instead of a relatively nominal playoff bounty offered, The NHL could prorate contracts over 10 months from the opening game to the Cup final. Instead of paying tv money etc directly to teams, they could beef up the playoff pool. For example a player that signs a USD$8m contract becomes eligible for a 25% top up contribution from the NHL. The now USD$10m contract is prorated over 10 months (Sept-June) but the player only earns the back end of the contract if he is still alive in the playoffs and payments stop when teams are eliminated. This financially aligns players with a winning playoff outcome. The big contract owners proportionally earn more but even the grinders who have smaller contracts have a chance to massively improve their earnings.
So changes to the Leafs are required.
#1 priority IMHO is goaltending. The young guy Woll looked good when called upon and might have the secret sauce but Samsonov was often caught out of position and gave up too many weak goals. Move Samsonov
Defense was outmatched with both Florida opponents and the Leafs need their Coffey, Leetch, Lidstrom anchors to transition up ice without turnovers. Emphasis on a combination of speed and nastiness.
In terms of trade bait up front I think you need to shake things up. Not necessarily wholesale changes but certainly a blockbuster with at least one of Tavares, Marner or Mathews needing to go. A Losing attitude is a virus that needs to be cut out. Edmonton went all in this year and if they are also out in the 2nd round to Vegas perhaps there is a blockbuster McDavid and or Draissaitl for Mathews and or Marner. An explosive move that could shake up both rosters. Another move is Mathews and Samsonov for the #1 pick with Chicago. Grab a potential generational talent and clear cap space.
Is a coaching change warranted? Perhaps. Keep in mind NHL coaches earn their chops through experience and just blowing the coach out does not change a losing culture. And it could be positive but only if a world class guy is ready to step in. Joel Quenneville comes to mind. He took a bullet for what happened in Chicago but is a proven winner.
Also add a McSorley, Semenko type that offers the snipers a little more room to operate.
Thoughts?
I think it' a fait accomplis that Dubas and Shanny will be around for the next 8 weeks. They'll be responsible for what happens for that. It'll be an interesting 8 weeks.
I love seeing Leafs lose. Makes me so happy. The best was Habs in 7
This was why Matthew Knies was a lost when he got the concussion
Drop some of these so called superstars and add more Canadian players, these guys just don't have the grit needed to make a run in the playoffs.
Everyone is missing what the leafs needs. The core is one of the best in the league. Leafs need a goalie. Thatās it. Thatās how Florida just beat them. They had the better goaltending.
The game is sure different in the playoffs. For instance, when a thug like Radko Gudas is allowed to get away with what he does, you have to have an answer for that.
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Blame the refs all you wantā¦ the Leafs didnāt win a game at home in this series.
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Mmmm when it comes to building a team Iām going to trust the skill and intelligence of Dubas and Shannon over the pundits. The goaltending was the difference in the series – Toronto played well and at time outplayed Florida – but the guy between the pipes was the difference. The Leafs will get stronger and will break through – they have three to five years with this core group of superstars.
Anyone else thinking Matthews to LA ?
Bob needs a haircut
Enough is enough….Time to blow up the Laffs….Dubious has to go….OKeefe has to go….Shanny's plan is not working Core 4 is a great golf foursome….trade all 4….get Bedard pick from Chicago….keep Woll….trade for Hellebuyck….get two Connors not named McDavid but with heart….try to get OReilley to stay….get more players like him (ie like a Matthew Tkachuk)….1967 was long ago
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it takes massive balls to change the lineup. Kudos to GM Zito to ship out Weegar and Huberdeau and moving a coach that gave them the President's Trophy. Hubi and Weegs didn't deliver in the PO last season, triggering to move out both of them. TML can't continue doing the same shit and expecting a different result.
Bring back Gary Leeman
It would monumentally foolish to trade Nylander, Matthews, Rielly and Marner specially with Knies joining the group now. O'rielly, Schenn, Macabe, Acciari, Bunting, TJ Brodie and Lilegren should also be kept, use the rest to trade and get bigger Dmen and a goalie. Keep Dubas and get a new coach that can bring out the best out of these guys.