It was a late night and the Leafs make a major move! Jeff and Elliotte discuss Brendan Shanahan’s press conference and recap the 4OT thriller. That and more on this full episode of 32 Thoughts!
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00:01- Jeff and Elliotte discuss Brendan Shanahan’s press conference as the Toronto Maple Leafs will not be bringing back Kyle Dubas as their GM
25:00 – They also recap the 4OT thriller between Florida-Carolina
37:30 – Clayton Keller and the Coyotes
44:00 – Interest in Spencer Carbery
45:30 – Viktor Arvidsson and the LA Kings
46:30 – The salary cap
47:50 – Ottawa sale
50:40 – Updates on searches in Pittsburgh, Calgary (52:30), Columbus (54:30), Anaheim (55:00), and Washington (55:40).
56:20 – What Nashville might be doing with their coaching staff
58:20 – Plus, the guys chat with Paul Stastny
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The Panthers game was a game of beauty, I hope they have a nasty and bruising 7 game series and I still feel that Panther will make it to the cup final, I love my team
Dubas is gone. Seems to have overplayed his hand. Shanahan was a warrior class player. After losing a playoff round and publicly whining about how tough the job is and deferring to your wife as the decision maker, that would have had to be the end for Dubas in Shanahan's eyes. Not reading the room and having your agent inflate an ask that already accommodated months of negotiated 'must haves' is, in any business, interpreted as bad faith.
Sports is big business but at the end of the day it is just hockey. Anything other than Dubas stating "Tough to stomach the loss but instead, I focus on the awesome organization we have built, which anybody lucky enough to be a part of, knows is 1st class. We have a strong core of character guys who like me, want to win. We make moves to add depth and talent and I believe each year we have gotten better. We will continue to do so and if the leadership of MLSE continues to have faith in me, I am committed to doing anything I can to bring home a Cup to Toronto".
#1 priority IMHO is goaltending. The young guy Woll looked good when called upon and might have the secret sauce but Samsonov was often caught out of position and gave up too many weak goals. Move Samsonov.
Defense was outmatched with both Florida opponents and the Leafs need their Coffey, Leetch, Lidstrom anchors to transition up ice without turnovers. Emphasis on a combination of speed and nastiness.
In terms of trade bait up front I think you need to shake things up.
Not necessarily wholesale changes but certainly a blockbuster with at least one of Tavares, Marner or Mathews needing to go. A Losing attitude is a virus that needs to be cut out.
Edmonton went all in this year and are also out in the 2nd round to Vegas, so perhaps there is a blockbuster McDavid and or Draissaitl for Mathews and or Marner. An explosive move that could shake up both rosters.
Another move is Mathews and Samsonov for the #1 pick with Chicago. Do something bold to grab a potential generational talent and clear cap space.
Is a coaching change warranted? Perhaps. Keep in mind NHL coaches earn their chops through experience and just blowing the coach out does not change a losing culture.
A change could be positive and candidly now more likely but only if a world class guy is ready to step in.
Joel Quenneville comes to mind. He took a bullet for what happened in Chicago but is a proven winner.
Now it gets interesting because Stan Bowman, who won 3 Cups in Chicago (with Quenneville a former Leaf) could come in as a package deal. Shanahan with his relationships with the NHL HO could smooth things over for re-reinstatement for both.
Thoughts?
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Flames would let Trelivin to talk to Leafs cause the Leafs draft after the flames….Leafs are not a threat to the flames draft wise.
Perhaps the level of detail given by Shanahan was done to cast Dubas in a negative light, which was probably deserved, and to make future employment opportunities difficult to come by.
The whole Leafs timeline is wild.
If Matthews does not commit to signing a next contract before July 1st, the Leafs management must trade him. There are no buts.
shannys a numpty, whatโs with firing gm after a single term ๐ญ you canโt expect them to get everything done coming off a rebuild in just a 1 term. dubas did more than enough to make this team a powerhouse the โcore 4โ just doesnโt have the heart or strength to win in playoffs they showed that in every scrum round 2
You guys are late to the show….old news!
What an up and down wild ride for the Leafs and their fans. This team is so unpredictable not just in the playoffs but the aftermath… Not finished either. It's easier to just expect the unexpected.
Not sure right person is gone, not sure situation was all that rosy to begin with; we may see more 'drama' planned or not planned
This does distract from ultimate 'reality' that change just has to happen in leafland
I thought the President should have wrapped up the GM earlier. Kyle's agent was available. Truth be told, I think the Leafs (Meaning Shanahan) were ambivalent about the GM. That is why he let his contract expire. The President's job was simple. Sign your GM or have one waiting in the wings. It seems neither happened.
" James Mirtle in The Athletic on Friday
Multiple sources close to the team said that Shanahan had blocked transactions that Dubas wanted to make at key points in the past several seasons, creating frustration in parts of the management group. Shanahan had also at times dictated certain moves he wanted made that Dubas didnโt agree with.
The president, as per his place in the hierarchy, typically won out in those battles. And, in some cases, the moves that werenโt made could have improved the Leafsโ ability to advance further in the playoffs. "
Nope this is Dubas saying … ok .. im done being your whipping boy & doing what YOU'S want me to do … give me some more money & atominity to do thing or im gone …. and well … they told him to walk cause he was unwilling to be there little simp.
It's this holding out for money that started with Nylander that became the problem…..if the guy up top does the same thing every player under him is going to try the same crap…..they put it out in public so the players and agents realize they are either here to win or get rich pick one….
Shanahan should be fired
Trade Marner and Mathiews. Its both thier faults, everything went bad the day they signed those overpayed contracts.
58 years old and a life long Leaf fan. I'm done, will be burning my Leaf sweaters and officially changing allegiances to whichever team has the privilege of hiring Dubas as GM.
It is going to be interesting to hear Dubas' side of this some day. What does Shanahan have left on his contract? Two years? How much of this decision was him thinking for a few days of bringing in a veteran GM, maybe even one who's won a cup – to try and make adjustments on the fly here to try and help Shanahan prove his case for his own contract extension in two more years with some playoff success?
I was already looking forward to an incredibly interesting Leafs off season, watching with keen interest to see if Marner or Nylander gets traded. And the Matthews extension. Now as I wait for a new GM to be named it might be the most interesting off season I can remember. Even more so than 94' and the Clark-Sundin trade fallout. Or the summer we waited for Cliff Fletcher to join the organization.
Talk about sucking up to sponsors. Three times he said The Ford Performance Center like anyone cares where they met. Just wringing dollars out of the sponsor
Matthews Nylander donโt sign on that dotted line by July 1st you can plan on them being traded. Just saying
Kyper for GM
The moment Dubas said he wasnt sure he wanted to continue as GM red lights should have been going off for Shanahan.
He has the Penguins job-was likely on par with salary offered to him by Toronto. So he staged this entire weekโฆ playing family cardโฆ then coming back with an outlandish request for higher salary. It he got the salary request then he won having a high pressure job but getting paid a kingโs ransom. If it got rejected and then let go-well it gives him the โrightโ to go get another job that he already had lined up and didnโt have to say I am choosing this other organization. Instead he had to go since Toronto fired him. Dubas is not a good general manager, but he is an excellent Machiavellian individual.
IN A NUTSHELL: Dubas played โhard to getโ and his strategy miserably backfired. โ๏ธ
This was all bad.
Hi Jeff . I used to shoe shine,s in front of the Gardens back in the day. Well as fate would have it . I was looking down Crarltant st and this great big caddy comes around the coner and stop,s in front . King Clansey comes out of the pasager side and ask me for a shoe shine. Now i was 12 years old and of couse knew he was. I used to walk from Batherst and Harbord ever game day. Couse i Loved the Leafs. I shined his shoes while he talked to me . Clansey and Ballard used to Shoppies all the time on Spadina and Qween . Anyway The King asked me if i was hunger and invited me to go with them, As God as my witness. And we went there for lunch, I Had never had a better lunch in my little life. At the end Harold said to me do you have two dollors and i said no. King started laughing so hard we went back to the Gardens and King Clansey ask me if i wanted a job and i was so so floored, He said just tell the usher,s you in conseshions . I worked there under Pop,s section at that time . I know every inch of the old Gardens to this day. Im 65 now. and saw a lot of life since those wonderful day,s And i miss them. I HATED the way that Bill Water.s would make you feel and am SO proud of you for enduering those years. son. Go LEAFS Go.
Like Shouke Demer,s i can,t spell neither.
To be GM of the Leafs you can't be wishy washy or give signs that the pressure of the market is troubling for you and your personal life…. you have to embrace the pressure and as Shanahan said it's what you sign up for as a member of that organization – They are the Yankees of hockey minus the championships which just places even more pressure on them…. it is not an easy job or market but that comes with market's that have passion – Some love that others don't. Dubas dropped hints it's not for him – Combine that with just one playoff round win in his tenure and blindsiding Shanahan with a counter offer (not by phone but email at that!) for a contract raise and Dubas holding that Monday presser against Brendan's wishes made the decision for Shanahan to reach that new place he got to with Dubas and letting him go a very easy one.