Honestly this offseason’s signings all pretty much sit in the “too soon to tell” category. They look promising, the lack of term on them is a Good Thing for such big question marks, but ultimately the question remains whether these are going to be effective enough pieces to really shore up our defense/pk. They’re not splashy which I like, but whether this really improves our team or if it’s just going to be placeholders while we try to develop up our prospect pool remains to be seen, and the real question is that if it turns out to be the latter, will this management start in with the desparation trades to try and fix it quickly.
jehcoh
I mean, yes, but also no. This offseason’s signings were low risk type of moves, but Allvin also put himself into this pickle in the first place when he signed Miller long term, Mikeyhev for many years, and Brock for too much, all when he wanted to clear cap in the first place. He also got rid of Hamonic for a 3rd and saved 3 million but then in the same breath went and trade a 3rd away for Dermott, who is no longer with us already. The jury is still out.
21marvel1
I have zero problems with any of the contracts Allvin has signed. So far so good and that Miller deal, if Miller chooses, will be moveable when the cap rises.
ClosPins
I think that we, as Canuck fans, have seen nothing but incompetence for *so long* that, when we finally see competence come around, we’re likely to mistake it for genius.
mr_derp_derpson
I think this article is too optimistic. Last year’s UFA signings were a mistake, IMO. They put themselves in a bad cap position that they didn’t need to. Then, they did it again this year with the Hronek trade.
This year’s UFA period was ok. Let’s hope we see more of that, and less of Rutherford’s first year on the job.
HanSolo5643
The jury is still out on Patrick Allvin. He did fine during this free agency period. The issue is that he has also made some of the same mistakes that have gotten Vancouver into trouble in the past. The contract of J.T. Miller wasn’t wise, and he should have been traded when the opportunity presented itself. The Mikheyev contract was also one that is questionable at best. The contract for Brock Boser is also one that one isn’t going to age well. Some of the trades he’s made have also been questionable. The trade for Hronek was one I didn’t support. The trade for Hronek is one you make when you are either a top contender or a team that’s close to contending. Vancouver currently is neither of those. Plus, outside of Quinn Hughes and maybe Hronek, this is a blue line that is barely NHL caliber. So, while yes, Patrick Allvin did fine during this free agency, he still has work to do to convince me that he’s the one to get Vancouver back on track and back to respectably.
Klunkey
As Bojack said: This is nice.
DarkestThought
He made solid moves, nothing fancy. Addressed some issues and now it will be time to see if it pays off next season. Hopefully we find a 3C and maybe a top 2 RHD (Unlikely). That would be fancy lol
IPLisBoring
I think Allvin has done a pretty good job. He took over a team that didn’t have the best prospect pool, a poor development system, a terrible D-core, and a culture problem. He addressed all of these things, in a relatively short period of time.
1. He went the NCAA and Europe route, and added a lot of prospects to the teams system. Quantity > Quality. Not many of these players will hit, but even if 2-3 do, it will be a major success. They include Hirose, Aman, Bains, Johansson, Sasson, McWard. And he is going to continue to add more, like Christian Fitzgerald. He used trades to add players like Raty, Bloom as well. 2. He hired Jeremy Colliton and beefed up the development staff in Abby. He hired Samuelsson and Komisarek to develop prospects overseas. There has been a big change in the way team prioritises development. Hoglander, Podkolzin AHL stints last season were a big example of that. They were given a lot of ice time, and the role and freedom to improve the weaknesses in their game. 3. The D-core was terrible. He bought out OEL to save us from 4 more years of pain. He will soon trade Myers. And he upgraded on the blue-line with Ian Cole and Carson Soucy, two elite penalty killers with a defensive acumen. Along with Filip Hronek, and soon Tom Willander, the right side suddenly looks pretty decent. The defensive structure has also been night and day under Rick Tocchet, and the defensive results were there for all to see last season. According to Cam Charron analytics, Canucks were blocking rush entries and slot shots at a very high level. For the first time, it just wasn’t the goalie. And that was with an injured D-core. The additions of Adam Foote and Sergei Gonchar have been massive. 4. He traded the team captain, you can’t change the “country club” culture more than that. With assistants like OEL and Myers gone, there is going to be a big change in the locker room. JT Miller will have a bigger voice. Along with Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes. It is their team now. Tocchet has made everyone a lot more accountable, and you can see that from the way we practice. The intensity is going to be a lot higher, and the work rate will improve.
Look, people can talk about every small trade or signing, but that defeats the purpose. We had a culture issue, more than anything else. And that has been fixed. Abbotsford can actually be used to develop prospects now, and in general, the prospect pool looks a lot deeper. We have new voices in the locker room. And a D-core that doesn’t play like piss-water. After trading Myers, there are no more bad contracts on the team and we can move on. The future of this team is now in the hands of JT Miller, Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes. We are going to go as far as they take us. No more bad players holding them down.
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Honestly this offseason’s signings all pretty much sit in the “too soon to tell” category. They look promising, the lack of term on them is a Good Thing for such big question marks, but ultimately the question remains whether these are going to be effective enough pieces to really shore up our defense/pk. They’re not splashy which I like, but whether this really improves our team or if it’s just going to be placeholders while we try to develop up our prospect pool remains to be seen, and the real question is that if it turns out to be the latter, will this management start in with the desparation trades to try and fix it quickly.
I mean, yes, but also no. This offseason’s signings were low risk type of moves, but Allvin also put himself into this pickle in the first place when he signed Miller long term, Mikeyhev for many years, and Brock for too much, all when he wanted to clear cap in the first place. He also got rid of Hamonic for a 3rd and saved 3 million but then in the same breath went and trade a 3rd away for Dermott, who is no longer with us already. The jury is still out.
I have zero problems with any of the contracts Allvin has signed. So far so good and that Miller deal, if Miller chooses, will be moveable when the cap rises.
I think that we, as Canuck fans, have seen nothing but incompetence for *so long* that, when we finally see competence come around, we’re likely to mistake it for genius.
I think this article is too optimistic. Last year’s UFA signings were a mistake, IMO. They put themselves in a bad cap position that they didn’t need to. Then, they did it again this year with the Hronek trade.
This year’s UFA period was ok. Let’s hope we see more of that, and less of Rutherford’s first year on the job.
The jury is still out on Patrick Allvin. He did fine during this free agency period. The issue is that he has also made some of the same mistakes that have gotten Vancouver into trouble in the past. The contract of J.T. Miller wasn’t wise, and he should have been traded when the opportunity presented itself. The Mikheyev contract was also one that is questionable at best. The contract for Brock Boser is also one that one isn’t going to age well. Some of the trades he’s made have also been questionable. The trade for Hronek was one I didn’t support. The trade for Hronek is one you make when you are either a top contender or a team that’s close to contending. Vancouver currently is neither of those. Plus, outside of Quinn Hughes and maybe Hronek, this is a blue line that is barely NHL caliber. So, while yes, Patrick Allvin did fine during this free agency, he still has work to do to convince me that he’s the one to get Vancouver back on track and back to respectably.
As Bojack said: This is nice.
He made solid moves, nothing fancy. Addressed some issues and now it will be time to see if it pays off next season. Hopefully we find a 3C and maybe a top 2 RHD (Unlikely). That would be fancy lol
I think Allvin has done a pretty good job. He took over a team that didn’t have the best prospect pool, a poor development system, a terrible D-core, and a culture problem. He addressed all of these things, in a relatively short period of time.
1. He went the NCAA and Europe route, and added a lot of prospects to the teams system. Quantity > Quality. Not many of these players will hit, but even if 2-3 do, it will be a major success. They include Hirose, Aman, Bains, Johansson, Sasson, McWard. And he is going to continue to add more, like Christian Fitzgerald. He used trades to add players like Raty, Bloom as well.
2. He hired Jeremy Colliton and beefed up the development staff in Abby. He hired Samuelsson and Komisarek to develop prospects overseas. There has been a big change in the way team prioritises development. Hoglander, Podkolzin AHL stints last season were a big example of that. They were given a lot of ice time, and the role and freedom to improve the weaknesses in their game.
3. The D-core was terrible. He bought out OEL to save us from 4 more years of pain. He will soon trade Myers. And he upgraded on the blue-line with Ian Cole and Carson Soucy, two elite penalty killers with a defensive acumen. Along with Filip Hronek, and soon Tom Willander, the right side suddenly looks pretty decent. The defensive structure has also been night and day under Rick Tocchet, and the defensive results were there for all to see last season. According to Cam Charron analytics, Canucks were blocking rush entries and slot shots at a very high level. For the first time, it just wasn’t the goalie. And that was with an injured D-core. The additions of Adam Foote and Sergei Gonchar have been massive.
4. He traded the team captain, you can’t change the “country club” culture more than that. With assistants like OEL and Myers gone, there is going to be a big change in the locker room. JT Miller will have a bigger voice. Along with Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes. It is their team now. Tocchet has made everyone a lot more accountable, and you can see that from the way we practice. The intensity is going to be a lot higher, and the work rate will improve.
Look, people can talk about every small trade or signing, but that defeats the purpose. We had a culture issue, more than anything else. And that has been fixed. Abbotsford can actually be used to develop prospects now, and in general, the prospect pool looks a lot deeper. We have new voices in the locker room. And a D-core that doesn’t play like piss-water. After trading Myers, there are no more bad contracts on the team and we can move on. The future of this team is now in the hands of JT Miller, Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes. We are going to go as far as they take us. No more bad players holding them down.
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