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  1. The A's have two big issues coming into Vegas. One is not spending enough on a roster to make them contenders anytime soon (compare what VGK is doing in regards to spending on players). The other is they aren't Vegas Born. The concept came out of a combination of tragedy and fluke timing. An exapnsion team might have a shot at success. The A's need a major rethink if they are going to work.

  2. Must be nice to have an owner who is passionate about his team's performance

  3. Bill Folley doesn’t want visiting fans in his stadium, while mark Davis kicks out the raider fans 😂

  4. The truth is, Fisher is going to sell soon after the stadium is built to cash out, making him a winner, and by him leaving Vegas a winner as well. Oakland becomes the only loser, unfortunately.

  5. As a lifelong A's fan, I will miss going to games with my family because of all the great memories, but I will not miss the terrible ownership. Watching my boys get upset
    seeing their favorite players leave year after year has sucked but we stuck with them because it was our team. We will no longer if they leave. If I lived in Las Vegas, I would not want this clown show coming to my city because it will only lead to disappointment.

  6. Hell the raiders were overwhelmed by Cincy… freakin Bengals filled about half the stadium… Same with the 49ers. Raiders tainted their brand in Vegas. It's a small market they can't handle that many pro sports teams. They're already at a limit of 2. Those kind of markets never succeed with 3 or more. When NBA lands there which imo is the best sport to thrive there, some teams are going to have to leave in 25-30 years.

  7. 44 hockey games & playoff games, 10 Raiders games, 20 WNBA Ace's games, 16 Runnin Rebel basketball games, 6 Runnin Rebel football games, 70 Aviator games. That's 162+ live sporting events in Las Vegas right now. If the owners of the MLB think the A's are going to draw 27,600 fans 83 dates per year for 30 straight seasons, they're smoking the best MJ in the world! Bill Foley said it in his press conference, If Nevada can give public money for a very iffy financial business model that the A's submitted and was quickly passed by Carson City, then it would be a cake walk for the Knights to get 4 sheets of ice & a ton of upgrades at T-Mobile arena!
    Do Las Vegans have $80 per person (on average) for 83 more dates and still support the Knights, Raiders, Aviators, Aces, Rebels, Nascar, PBRA, PBA, Etc? FYI the NBA wants to come to LV too! Way too many teams for such a small market like Las Vegas.
    My guess is less than 1,000 visitors attend daily, with only about 100 – 300 of those daily visitors coming to town just to see an A's game! Do locals really want to travel to Tropicana & strip 83 more times each year & at 2 or 3 for a 5PM night game??

    Over saturation with too many sports in this tiny market will start to show once a team or teama starts losing (or in the Raiders case continue to lose)

    If A's are in then the Aviators are gone! Too bad for Summerlin who is on the hook for that new stadium if the Aviators need to move for financial reasons/or the A's might need to subsidize them too. When a hotel or shows becomes yesterdays news, they re-image the show or tear down the hotel and build it bigger. How can the NHL, NFL, MLB, or WNBA re-imagine it's product? You just can't up and move! 2 billion for Alegint Stadium, $375M for T-Mobile Arena, $1.5B for the proposed baseball stadium? You just can't up and leave if the fans don't show! NASCAR built LVMS out by Nellis Airforce base, they reduced seating by about 100k after the events started looking like a ghost town for the past 10 years, NASCAR doesn't announce attendance anymore, wonder how much they are losing each week?. People don't have unlimited dollars to keep going to more & more sporting events.

  8. We won't know how successful the A's will be drawing fans in Las Vegas until we actually see them try. By the same token, we won't know how successful the A's would have been drawing fans at Howard Terminal either unless they actually build a ballpark there and try drawing fans. Nothing is guaranteed in business. All we can do is use skilled consultants to do market research and try to have them give us their best guess at possible projections and try to determine likelihoods of variances, both more positive and more negative. We then use those projections to try to make a best guess at what course to take when making business decisions. But I think Brodie Brazil has been walking a dangerous tightrope in the past few months. It is one thing to discuss possible scenarios. But many of Brodie's videos have been skewed negative, almost as if he is hoping the A's fail in Las Vegas. At that point, we need to decide where his allegiance really is. Is Brodie only a supporter of the A's if they stay in Oakland? Or will Brodie continue to support the A's if they move to Las Vegas? Or will Brodie only support the A's if the ownership is a group that he approves of? Part of being a fan is sticking with the team through thick and thin. If you only support the A's if they remain in Oakland, then you really aren't an A's fan; you are more of an Oakland fan. Personally, I don't like Oakland at all. I think it's a horrible city with horrible politicians and activists who have driven the place into the ground. But I have continued to support the A's all of my life in Oakland. I would have preferred if the A's had moved to Fremont, but that didn't happen. But I will continue to support the A's and hope they succeed whether they are in Las Vegas or Oakland.

  9. There's a big difference in drawing fans to a Stanley Cup winner and an also-ran like the A's. The fans will pay money to watch a winner. After a honeymoon period (both after the move and when the new stadium opens), the fans won't be there unless the A's field a winning (and contending) team. Throw out a loser like this season and you'll see a lot of empty seats in that new stadium.

  10. The Raiders are in an interesting place: they won't worry about selling out the stadium but they'll be filled with opposing team fans because the die hard Raider fans are either in Oakland or Los Angeles.

    Plus they're being run like a Great Value Patriots with Josh McDaniels and an iffy QB situation, so don't expect that much success, making the away fan problem worse.

    If you want Las Vegas to care for your team, win and win NOW. The Golden Knights have made 2 Stanley Cup Finals, won one this year, and have never had their losing season.

  11. As a Vegas resident, I'm not excited for the A's to come to Vegas, which may be funny because I grew up playing baseball. One thing that really irked me from Fisher was saying how they would explore starting games at 4 PM to accommodate tourists better. If they are only 30% of your attendance, why are you making it harder for the 70% to come? People are working at that time, so why are you making it harder for residents to go to games?

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