Could Holl be a better option to play with Rielly?
TSN Hockey analyst Ray Ferraro joins the OverDrive guys to debate if the Leafs would be better off having Justin Holl play alongside Morgan Rielly instead of Cody Ceci.
A trade needs to be made. It's got to be Nylander for a guy like David Savard who can stop the cycle, clear the front of the net and make a first pass under pressure. Nylander is a 60pt guy at best, soft and peripheral, great skater who is unwilling to drive inside. Columbus needs speed on the wing. Hopefully, Nylander can put a few games together and garner some value. The Leafs need that right D.
Oh come on Holl has been out there with everyone at times and he has looked great at all times. Ceci is not better than Holl, in fact I would make him the 7th Dman.
Everyone was hoping Ceci could make first pair but let's face it he does not belong there, poor Reilly has been babysitting him. Having said that Leafs got 5 solid Dmen, Dermitt is looking real good, shit put Barrie with Reilly and be done with it.
trashing on Ceci is stupid…he is way more solid than zietsev or gardiner anyday….people just listen to other people and say what they say…being on a new team takes time, alot more time for a D man too…I'm not saying there is no other options, but I would rather see Barrie on that pair to see if the similar styles gel, and Ceci with Holl
The leafs issue on defense isn't the defensmen, it's the "team defense" that needs to get better. And it takes time to gel with 11 new players on the team this year. And if you watch every other team in the league their dman give the puck up, don't get it out, and have miscues every game as well. The time you have to make plays in the game is so much shorter than it's ever been, and pucks are bouncing and on edge all the time. Where before a dman had half a second to settle the puck down then make a play, he now has to make that play right away. The faster younger players plus the increased enforcement on interference allow the opposing forwards to get on the forecheck so quickly now. Watch a whole game between any two teams you don't care about, get a pen and a paper, and count how many times each team makes a turnover. Make sure you have a spare pen handy.
i think the best thing for ceci would to play third pair against worse competition. His gap control is terrible and the elite players make him pay for it
Honestly, hell no… Edit: he is doing good but I never considered him as "nhl ready" and him with rielly would be too big… what is wrong w/ Rielly Barrie
Riley has not been skating well the last few games. Wonder if he is carrying an injury or going through something. He is constantly getting beaten round the outside where kast season and the start if this he was mush faster in transition.
Babcock needs to learn from why nick nurse was a better coach for the raptors than Dewayne Casey, pretty well the same roster. nick got more from the same guys because he switched things up!
Honestly the Leafs have decent defensemen, the problem is the forwards keep missing the net trying to be too fine with shots. Look at what Draisaitl does in Edmonton, He just fires the puck at the net and doesn't go soft on shots. Very assertive style. Nylander's been great, they are feeding Johnsson more who is the one that will shoot, Matthews is passing more and llaying much much better. Things are looking good. Give Dermott more minutes. Gotta play better in front of Hutchinson
Ceci had a rough start to the year and in training camp. He's playing better though. Low ceiling on him, this is what you get. Not very good at moving the puck and bad in front of his own net. Not great in the corners either. Hate to be a hater on this nice guy. They need to trade him to open up his $4.5M cap hit, move Holl with Reilly and bring back Sandin to play with Dermott.
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A pylon would be a better option than ceci
Not knocking Ceci but I like what Holl brings to that pair. His play has very solid and he deserves it
Toronto has to have the dumbest front office in the nhl.
Put Ceci on waivers
The bigger question, what could it hurt to at least try and mix things up?
McDavid and Draisaitl can play 25 minutes a night, Dmen should easily handle 30 on some nights
I really didnt think subbing to TSN would mean videos on Justin Holl vs Cody Ceci but here we are. I just want the Bar Down content
A trade needs to be made. It's got to be Nylander for a guy like David Savard who can stop the cycle, clear the front of the net and make a first pass under pressure. Nylander is a 60pt guy at best, soft and peripheral, great skater who is unwilling to drive inside. Columbus needs speed on the wing. Hopefully, Nylander can put a few games together and garner some value. The Leafs need that right D.
Please TSN tell me more about how one shitty leafs defenceman should be replaced with another shitty leafs defenceman
Oh come on Holl has been out there with everyone at times and he has looked great at all times. Ceci is not better than Holl, in fact I would make him the 7th Dman.
Everyone was hoping Ceci could make first pair but let's face it he does not belong there, poor Reilly has been babysitting him. Having said that Leafs got 5 solid Dmen, Dermitt is looking real good, shit put Barrie with Reilly and be done with it.
trashing on Ceci is stupid…he is way more solid than zietsev or gardiner anyday….people just listen to other people and say what they say…being on a new team takes time, alot more time for a D man too…I'm not saying there is no other options, but I would rather see Barrie on that pair to see if the similar styles gel, and Ceci with Holl
Ceci is a 2nd line Defenceman at best that giveaway vs Vegas was pathetic as it gets
I’ve been saying for years that holl deserves a big opportunity
The leafs issue on defense isn't the defensmen, it's the "team defense" that needs to get better. And it takes time to gel with 11 new players on the team this year. And if you watch every other team in the league their dman give the puck up, don't get it out, and have miscues every game as well. The time you have to make plays in the game is so much shorter than it's ever been, and pucks are bouncing and on edge all the time. Where before a dman had half a second to settle the puck down then make a play, he now has to make that play right away. The faster younger players plus the increased enforcement on interference allow the opposing forwards to get on the forecheck so quickly now. Watch a whole game between any two teams you don't care about, get a pen and a paper, and count how many times each team makes a turnover. Make sure you have a spare pen handy.
i think the best thing for ceci would to play third pair against worse competition. His gap control is terrible and the elite players make him pay for it
Do you guys talk about any other teams?
Honestly, hell no…
Edit: he is doing good but I never considered him as "nhl ready" and him with rielly would be too big… what is wrong w/ Rielly Barrie
does tsn know there are 30 other teams?
Riley has not been skating well the last few games. Wonder if he is carrying an injury or going through something. He is constantly getting beaten round the outside where kast season and the start if this he was mush faster in transition.
Hills the real deal stay at home d man who can lay the body he should be up there with mo Ceci sucks
You know we missing Gardiner now at least he could move the puck
Reily needs a stay at home defensive partner that allows Reilly to breath while on the ice instead of worrying
Babcock needs to learn from why nick nurse was a better coach for the raptors than Dewayne Casey, pretty well the same roster. nick got more from the same guys because he switched things up!
Remember when McCabe and Kaberle were playing almost 30 minutes a night?
Give Dermott 22 minutes…this guy is awesome
Honestly the Leafs have decent defensemen, the problem is the forwards keep missing the net trying to be too fine with shots. Look at what Draisaitl does in Edmonton, He just fires the puck at the net and doesn't go soft on shots. Very assertive style. Nylander's been great, they are feeding Johnsson more who is the one that will shoot, Matthews is passing more and llaying much much better. Things are looking good. Give Dermott more minutes. Gotta play better in front of Hutchinson
If is time to send Cockbabs HOME!
Why dont we try Holl there and see see how he looks?
Gravel > Holl
Ceci had a rough start to the year and in training camp. He's playing better though. Low ceiling on him, this is what you get. Not very good at moving the puck and bad in front of his own net. Not great in the corners either. Hate to be a hater on this nice guy. They need to trade him to open up his $4.5M cap hit, move Holl with Reilly and bring back Sandin to play with Dermott.
Had the leafs given Holl games over the past 3 years to get him up to speed in the NHL, he would have been ready to go FT this year.
YES ceci should be on the bottom pairing