Steve, Jesse and Adam discuss the Vegas Golden Knights decisions to sign Alex Pietrangelo to a monster deal and how it resulted in the Vancouver Canucks getting a huge steal in acquiring Nate Schmidt for a 3rd.
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First. Go Bruins
Nah Go Leafs Go
Should teams have different caps based on the taxes in there region to allow for a real flat cap?
8:58 – There´s not "9 million coming of the books next year", there´s 23.4 million (Sutter 4.375, Pearson 3.75, Baertschi 3.367, Edler 6, Benn 2, Spooner 1.03 and Pettersson 0.925, Hughes 0.917 and Demko 1.05 as well). And they can get another million by sending Eriksson to the AHL.
Podkolzin and Höglander on ELCs for 0.9 million a piece will replace Sutter and Pearson. That´s 22.5 million left to re-sign Pettersson, Hughes and Demko.
And the year after that there´s another 28.185 million coming of the books (Eriksson 6, Boeser 5.875, Roussel 3, Beagle 3, Motte 1.225, MacEwen 0.825, Rahtbone 0.925, Holtby 4.3, Luongo 3.035). Of course some of them need new contracts (Boeser, Ratbone and maybe Motte and MacEwen) and others need to be replaced (Holtby, Roussel, Beagle) but except for Boeser we are talking about 4th line wingers, 3rd pair defencemen and a backup goalie.
Vegas is screwed
its rare but Steve is right. OnceFaulk was signed Petro was gone.
I think there was management disputes with Petro that made this impossible.
Am I the only one that would rather have Torey Krug at 6.5 than Pietrangelo at 8.8?
3:35, that’s right Steve, I totally agree with u 100%, the only reason is because we wanted a ton of depth on the blue line and didn’t think that we would have a flat cap this year, and the signed Faulk big and now we can’t have petro, I am still scratching my head over that trade, if Faulk is amazing this year, playing with Dunn and Krug, then I think that’s great, but petro was the priority, get him signed before u sign Faulk to an extension, not to mention we are giving Bozak and Steen over 5 mill. A year, it’s crazy
Imagine what it could have been on our D line.
Pietrangelo-Parayko/Dunn
Krug-Parayko/scandella
Dunn-scandella/Bortuzzo/gunnerson
So here's the thing with Vancouver, they have to resign 3 key pieces next season, Demko, Petterson and Hughes, We currently have 2 mil cap space. Baertchi off the books (+3), Sutter comes back for cheaper like 2 mil (+2), Edler retires (+6), Benn leaves (+2), +3 mill tied to those contracts. Tanner Pearson comes back for the same amount likely. Oh and Holtby goes to Seattle (+4). That's 22 mill for 3 players… Not too shabby
Did the Blues win the cup with Faulk?
adam wylde looks like beavis
Doesn't your producer want more Colorado content… We all want more avalanche content haha
Petrangelo is a stud no doubt. But was vegas problem defense in the playoffs? Physically in front of the net MAYBE but everyone can agree the lack of scoring was the BIG reason why the werent as successful in the playoffs. I wouldnt have wanted to see it but a hall or Hoffman or even to lesser extent taffolli or dadanov would have made a lot more sense this free agency. Lastly when did this whole "TAXES" become an issue. News flash its always been relevant so why make such a big deal about it in the recent half decade or so.
Vancouver can't buy out Eriksson, his contract structure means that a buyout doesn't even create cap relief. A buyout of beagle or Roussel could help, but Benning is gonna have to bite the bullet and trade Eriksson and add a 1st probably.
Obviously I’m not Doug Armstrong but I’ve been crafting a theory on why the Blues made the moves they did, when they did. It goes simply; the off-season of the Blues winning the Cup, Petro made his demands to Army for what it would take for him to re-sign with the Note. That included a NMC, which Doug Armstrong hates with a passion because “it gives the player more power than the rest of the team” he fears it pidgeon-holes a team into a bad contract that can’t be moved. So Army says “absolutely not, we have the cap but we aren’t going to give you a NMC.” Petro calls Army’s bluff, and Armstrong gives that money to new member Justin Faulk. Essentially, Armstrong is sending the message to Petro “we will sign you, but mention NMC one more goddamn time and see what happens.” The new season starts and a lot of Blues fans like myself really really don’t like Faulk in the beginning, and then COVID hit and all we could do was speculate how the money was going to get moved around to make room for Petro on the blue line. Then the playoffs happened, the Blues looked completely un-interested in participating and many people agreed Justin Faulk was the best Blue on the ice because it seemed like only him, Perron, and ROR cared to be there. So now into the offseason, the flat cap exists there less money than anticipated and Petro goes to the media and says “I love this city, lean on Doug Armstrong to give me what I want to stay.” And Doug does exactly what he promised he would do, and go and signs a younger player to a cheaper contract. Slams his dick on the table and dares Petro to challenge him again. And Alex doesn’t, he gets everything he wants from Vegas, and I think Vegas will win 1-2 cups with Petro, but 4 years from now that contract is going to be biting them in the ass major. The blues are set up with a relatively young blue line (Parayko, Dunn, Krug) and still have offensive firepower (Schenn, Schwartz, Perron, ROR, Rob Thom) I think the next 2-3 years the West is going to be a bloodbath between Vegas Colorado and STL. But I think 5 years from now the Blues will be in a better spot than Vegas will be.
feel like blues did something smart by letting petro walk, keeping the "gang" around doesnt work in the long run, look at chicago and LA
The element that a lot of people overlook in the Petro deal is the signing bonus money. The Blues' company policy is to never give out signing bonuses in new contracts. Check out the Signing Bonus tab on their CapFriendly page. Only one player on the big club has a signing bonus – Ryan O'Reilly. Buffalo gave that to him, and the Blues inherited it in the trade. Guaranteeing bonus money like that is not prudent for a mid-market team that struggles to break even every year.
My best guess is that when Army first talked to Petro and Newport prior to last season, they might have hinted that they were looking for 50% or more of the salary to be in the form of signing bonuses (Vegas gave him 56.8%). Knowing that the Blues would never do that, and that plenty of other GMs would be willing to, Army went to work on plan B because he's a savvy manager. It's impossible to replace a Norris caliber d-man; about the best you can do is find two second-tier d-men. And that's exactly what Army did by trading for Faulk when the opportunity arose, and then signing Krug. So it's not that the trade and signing of Faulk prevented the Blues from resigning Petro. It was actually part of the solution because the writing was already on the wall that there's no way Petro would be returning based on that one demand.
Gelo chose money over legacy. It’s a bad contract for Vegas that’s only going to get worse.
It wasn't money! 8M x 8yrs is more than 8.8M x 7yrs. Armstrong wouldn't give a NMC for the full 8 years nor could they structure the bonuses the way he wanted.
St Louis did want Pietro. Army maybe didnt want him bad enough but the way you're saying it sounds like the fans lost interest or something. Fans were upset. Fans are going to be upset for years. There are most players on this team I would've rather seen graded if it meant keeping Pietro. The reason DOUG ARMSTRONG did not sign him though comes down to one word. And he was right for avoiding it too. That one word is Chicago.
Canucks have around 19 million coming off the cap next year. Should easily be able to keep Hughes and Pettersson.
As a blues fan here's what ill say about Pietro leaving. He brought us 1 cup and 7 years of choking in games that mattered. This last postseason was the perfect example of how he can disappear come playoff time.
Leafs suck, that is all