How much should be sought for — or paid to — Jake Guentzel?
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Maybe it sounds crazy but I would just rather not have another cup and keep Sid. He means more to me on this team than winning. Maybe thats stupid, but I’m ok with that.
Pens want to contend next year, I don't c how that works without guentzell. Gotta keep him, find a way
I don't no how it works but I just think sully message and play style is stale and need a new coach. Don't no who is out there or how the contract works but it hasn't worked in some years and has to change
Trade Crosby (50% retained), Guentzel (50% retained), goalie Ned (50% retained) + the full 75% through a 3rd team TO the Edmonton Oilers for Ryan Nugent Hopkins ($5.125 AAV), Warren Foegle, Philip Broberg, Dylan Holloway and a 1st round pick. 87 can win the Cup with McDavid for Canada and himself adding to his legacy. RNH becomes Sids new winger or the new 2nd line center. 87 signs with the Pens in the summer. The team is better with the additions. Pens also win the lottery! Mock trade just for fun.
It all depends on return. This team desperately needs talented youth. If you can trade Jarry, Rakell, Smith, etc and get that type of return. The one thing the Pens can't do is lose Jake for nothing.
I'm not a penguins fan, but grew up there – like to see how things go, wish well. It is interesting to consider a future where Sidney Crosby was on another team. This is interesting for the entire league. I wouldn't rule it out entirely, as it would solely depend on Mr. Crosby's desires. Gretzky moved, Giroux moved, Lindros/Forsberg moved. Brendan Shanahan, Patrick Roy, Dominik Hasek, Chris Pronger – all GOATS. The Penguins would not be better the day a deal like this occurred – the other team would be. But a few years later that would revert. If Sidney wants to compete for a cup, this is probably the path that he has to take. He has earned the right to make whatever choice he would make.
Sillivan never adjusted his game plan for an aging team. I still see defensemen cheating and trying to score. Pens have the highest short handed goals against. Sullivan should be FIRED.
So we're debating over semantics here? I'll present the same question as this person asked but replace the word "rebuild" with retool. The Penguins aren't getting anything but extended mediocrity by retooling around this core. Is that better or do you have a problem with that word as well?
Sports used to be such a pure, natural environment. Never thought politics would enter into the decisions made.
Steelers and pirates are both guilty of making decisions on what people tbink of them. Rather than what is good for the team.
Sooo, THIS COACH…will suddenly change…& play young guys???
Politics are really destroying professional sports.
Rebuilds are 100% a thing in hockey. I think you’re being a little obtuse with your methodology of exactly what a rebuild is. Chicago has rebuilt twice in the span of 15 years between the Kane/Toews era and now the Bedard era. Detroit absolutely rebuilt. Buffalo has unsuccessfully rebuilt but have a significant amount of good young players. New Jersey last year came out of their rebuild. And on and on and on. Just because there is a cap floor does not mean rebuilding cannot take place, the idea of “tanking” was put into the foreground by the 76ers in a cap league. These things happen all the time because it’s generally the best and fastest way to get good young players all around the same window of opportunity.
If Guentzel actually wanted to re-sign with the Pens, he would have already re-signed with the Pens. He likely either wants to sign with a contender or see just how much he can get in free agency … or both.
being realistic….. a rebuild needs years, to bolster up your team, it needs more than a trade period, at minuimum 3-4 years, crosby will be 38 plus when all is in place, so what type of conversation do we have? malkin is outscored by fatherhood and age…. letang the same…. crosby will not win any lord stanley any more… the core is outscored by their age, the ugly truth but we have to face this fact, everything else is wishful thinking…. trade sid to colorado, cause he deserves another shot on the cup, but this won´t be in pittsburgh, clear cut….
I would absolutely trade Jarry at this point. I'd also look to dump Malkin if anyone's willing to take him.
Sully is the problem. The fact that the media does not see it is inconceivable. Keeping jake would be another example of failed penguin asset management.
the only team who made a rebuild on the go, where the dallas stars… benn und seguin now 2nd-3rd liners…
And I agree with DK 100%, there is NO WAY you get rid of Sid. He is the rare athlete that truly deserves to dictate the remainder of his career. If he were to be dealt, there'd be riots in Pittsburgh.
When Detroit was the juggernaut back in 2008 (That's post-salary cap era BTW), NHL pundits were comparing them to the St. Louis Cardinals in terms of they do everything so well from scouting, drafting (Datsyuk was a 6th round pick for Pete's sake) and development that there was no foreseeable drop-off to their reign, and had them pegged to be perennial contenders for the next decade. And then what happened? after a couple more seasons of being legitimate contenders, and still riding that Datsyuk, Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Holmstrom train, they hit that wall, and none of the scary depth in their system ever came to the rescue enough, and once those guys started retiring, the wheels fell off.
They got to the playoffs after that but were mostly one-and-done's with the occasional lucky 2nd round appearance, but were mostly old and never considered a real threat to do anything more than get just there. This is something you think that Penguins fans should be more than happy with as long as they keep the "institution" Sid happy in is final years? So what happened to that talented and deep system in Detroit? Did management and the great Ken Holland all a sudden just get stupid? I'm taking that's what you think since according to you it took the mighty Yzerman to save them in 2019, and it wasn't simply becuase they had to hit rock bottom, sell off old cup era assets and holdovers like Helm and start drafting with higher picks (aka, a rebuild). Where was the retooling around their old core to keep them relevant? Don't you think they tried? Of course they tried, and that's why they were mediocre to dismal for the better part of that past 10 years.
The Penguins are currently in that same catch 22 of keeping their old players happy, the dying embers of old cup runs burning, and at the same time citing a youth movement, which in and of itself is a paradox, especially with these Penguins more so than it ever was in Detroit.
Ans what happens if he goes somewhere else and the team doesn’t win the cup or turns into trash also?? What will his legacy be then?? He’s already accomplished everything. The last thing to accomplish is a legacy on the level of Mario. I kinda feel legacies of players are tarnished when they change teams. Gretzky was on 4 teams. Yes he was the greatest player of all time but I personally think his legacy would be perfection if it was just with Edmonton
Dejan loves to institutionalize things related to Pittsburgh, whether its players, buildings, or places, even defiantly so. As I've told him before, he's very parochial (showing interest only in a narrow range of matters, especially those that directly affect yourself, your town, or your country). Or in this case, players on his sports teams. When it comes to team building, if you start institutionalizing players over results, I guess these are also the rewards you reap. I guess he should be fine then kidding himself into acceptance of simply not being a good team anymore while watching the Pittsburgh Sids for the next few years..
The full rebuild he’s talking about is because the players they have now can’t win, they’re not committed, they stink… with the exception of Sid. That’s what he’s talking about, a full rebuild whether it’s possible or not is another matter but that’s what’s necessary.
1st round pick and a top prospect ready to make the jump to the league
if you love him, let him go (after next season)
This fanbase is so braindead. We’re advocating for trading Sid now?
Bye jake time to rebuild
The team maybe could have been saved about two months ago with a coaching change. Now, only the off-season to look forward to.
Clean house Dubas
Hey let's keep the Toronto connection going, we are worse off with Dubas than with Hextall sadly. Got our fan base all hyped on EK65 when we didn't need a player like that.
This is more in response to Adam's #J1Q, but do people seriously want to see Sidd in another uniform? Do they not remember what it was like to watch Jagr put on a Caps jersey? Or Cutch put on a Giants jersey? Or Joey Porter put on a Dolphins jersey? It would have been unthinkable to see Ben Roethlisberger or Mario Lemieux not play for Pittsburgh. Why would we throw Sidd out like he's just another common every day player?
The 2000-04 pens went full rebuild
I'd keep Jake, Pettersson, Rust, Karlsson and try to unload all the rest including Letang and Malkin, if possible. Of course, Sid stays. I think the Pens would be fun to watch because expectations would be lower and the younger new guys could learn from the new core.
i agree we wont get what we should for jake should trade other players if needed it be
Worthy of consideration = Dubus is the problem. I dont trust him to make even minor changes like his last one let alone the ones being suggested here.
Lets trade a true #1 goalie away because we have a goalie doing good in his FIRST AHL season which for some reason means he's ready for NHL ……right….
DK, don't forget that getting picks now isn't a bad thing if they can flip them later on for NHL ready guys. Getting picks doesn't necessarily mean using them for drafting
They should try to get a player and 1st and second round draft pick!!!! They need to get young
Quoting Dejan here: "That was Nylander last night in Columbus with his first NHL hat trick in a 6-3 gutting of the Golden Knights, giving him four goals and two assists through his first games (5) with his new team. That's compared to one goal and two assists in 14 career games with the Penguins."
“This is a really good spot for me,” Nylander would tell reporters at Nationwide Arena. “They gave me a great opportunity here, so I'm really happy.”
A hat trick last night from Nylander? Maybe the Pens can trade for him? 😉 Oh, wait… Hmmm. But let make it clear here, this has nothing to do with the fact that Sullivan buries youth, especially at a time when they could use scoring from anyone with a pulse who isn't a couple years from getting AARP membership offers in the mail. It sadly happens when you turn 40. And lets also be clear, it has nothing to do with the system. 14 games as a Penguin and Nylander was barely a blip on the radar, and voilà…just like that, new team, new coach, new system, and he's a point per game player so far. I don't want to hear any coincidental or otherwise hogwash about it. There's soemthing inherently wrong with this teams approach to any and everything anymore, and I'm putting it all the feet of this coach. A team looking for answers after yet another lost season, but by all means, let's bring Sullivan back. Why would they try changing anything?
This team will not change if Sid retires a penguin. So how could anybody not remember the last couple years of mediocrity in a legends career? Thats why fans feel this way. They believe he deserves better later years than what we saw this year and what we WILL see next year.