Is The NHL Expanding Again? | 32 Thoughts

Is The NHL Expanding Again? | 32 Thoughts

Elliot as you and I talked about on radio the other day this is not the end of anything but the end of the beginning of something uh the June 2018 uh sexual assaults uh involving the 2018 Canadian Royal junior hockey team uh five players have been instructed by

London Police to surrender uh in association and in connection uh with the alleged sexual assault um what do we know right now we anticipate certainly a press conference on the fifth by London Police but where is the story at right now obviously Jeff this is a seismic

Time for all the wrong reasons it’s a it’s a very very sad story and I think one we all wish did not exist um I I thought we would hear something a few times after last season around the draft there was a lot of noise that we would get some clarity uh

And we didn’t around training camp there was a lot of noise um that we would get some clarity and we didn’t and you know if any time uh commissioner bman would have an availability he would be asked about it and he would say things along the lines of we’re getting there and I

Think once he said hopefully we’re closer to the end um but you know we don’t have anything to announce or say at this time and finally I had the chance to sit down with one person who has a lot to do with what’s going on and

What they told me was it was going to be very hard to get any closure without legal charges because I think that it was made very clear that if anything was put out into the public sphere without proof there would be legal ramifications lawsuit something like that I was

Basically just told without criminal charges it was going to be very very difficult if not impossible to move the situation along or get any Clarity or closure um you know for example with Hockey Canada in particular um they have a report done it’s in its appeal

Process um you know Hockey Canada took a lot of criticism for the way they handled this at the they didn’t handle it very well very poorly as we all know now and there was a firestorm of criticism because of it it had a massive effect on them financially they lost sponsors it

Damaged the entire organization the name the brand uh people lost their jobs and reputations were destroyed and Jeff if you’ll remember there was one time in the aftermath I was very critical of someone on this pod for something that they did and a friend of theirs called

Me to complain and I told him that that was my opinion and I wasn’t changing it but the one thing I got from that conversation was there was definitely a feeling in hockey Canada that not everybody who was responsible that night uh had paid the same price and that

There was a feeling that they wanted to get their report out so that the full details would be known but because of the legal concerns and the appeal process but the legal concerns too at the time that was before the appeal process they just weren’t going to be

Able to do it now Shane Pinto which obviously isn’t the same thing but if you look how it was adjudicated it was a 41 game suspension an agreement of no appeal the suspension was announced he served the penalty and now he’s back playing again it’s nowhere near the same

Thing but it was an example of how something could be adjudicated relatively cleanly he accepted the punishment there was no appeal that was it uh that was not going to be the case um with this situation sadly um they knew that anything they tried to do

Without proof there was going to be a big fight so I think that’s why this was taking so long in the last few months I think there were times everybody thought it was close but in the absence of criminal charges or the potential of criminal charges there was a concern about a

Penalty laying a penalty or going public with anything well now we know it looks like on February 5th there are going to be charges laid and you know we should mention that the London Police tweet that alerted us to the media conference says antici ipate so

I’m always careful with that um so you know I we’ll we’ll we’ll see what happens um at that time and you still have to be careful a few lawyers I know they warn me like if you’re talking about it in the next few days be very very careful what you say until the

Charges are actually laid because there’s a lot of circumstance that we can guess at but you don’t know for sure and don’t guess this is not the time to guess and the other thing too is you know in the aftermath of of what happened with Kyle Beach you know Jeff

We underwent a lot of training about how you should handle these situations and what’s the proper way to approach them and one of the things that was really told to us many many times was always um you know respect the wishes such such as they are what we know of the victim or

The people involved and uh the victim in this case has done done one interview with Robin dittle uh of the Globe and Mail where she’s quoted as saying she’s not comfortable with how public all of this has become so I’ve always kept that in mind too you know don’t guess don’t

Say anything that you don’t know because that’s also the wishes of the victim the one time that she has been quoted so that I’ve always kept in my mind so you know February 5th is obviously going to be uh uh a big day again for all the

Wrong reasons and I would assume there we’re going to get a better idea of what the charges are and also what some of the ramifications will be again because Hockey Canada’s uh report is in the appeal process I’m not sure that we’re going to be able to hear from them but I

Assume we’re going to hear from the NHL um they will probably wait for the official announcement before they announce any suspensions or penalties such as they are and also the teams too um you know once the teams hear what could happen um will their owners um want their general managers or

Organizations to act in a certain way so unless any other stories come out before then that’s going to be the big day for when we’re going to have an idea of where this is headed okay um a couple of things that I want to uh add to that Elliot and one just a

Further note of clarification on something as well the hockey Canada report and the NHL report now we discussed this uh on the radio show the other day as well and for those that didn’t he I want to share it here as well because they may have heard the exact same thing

Um there were some who believed um that the reports part of the reason the reports didn’t come out from Hockey Canada or the NHL was there was a fear of prejudicing in some ways the London police investigation itself um how much of that if any do you know to be

True I don’t know that Jeff I’m not saying it’s wrong I just don’t know the the thing that was explained to me a lot was like I said there was just concern about if you put something out there that didn’t turn out to be true you could face a lawsuit or legal

Ramifications that was what was told to me was the biggest hurdle I’m not saying you’re wrong I just didn’t hear that as much the um the other thing too in the spirit of um respect the victim’s wishes through uh a lot of things as well well

I think there’s a couple of things that I would just like to add just to keep in mind too um certainly in this situation we think plenty about the victim here in this situation too there are other people in uh in the hockey universe that

Are going to be impacted by this that I think we should be mindful of as well whether it’s um Team employees whether it’s um women specifically who have you know perhaps been victim themselves will find this an increasingly an increasingly challenging environment to work in um and you know a

Lot of you know a lot of hockey fans as well have either been victims themselves or certainly no victims as well like we’re going into a very very awful time and I would just like to think that as much as you know everybody will follow the story and follow where the facts go

We should always keep in mind to a the victim in this case but other people who are impacted by it and the coverage of it so if we could just I think if I can just make a small appeal Elliot just try to be thoughtful of everybody here

Because this is this is about to be good for nobody I agree with everything you said there Jeff that’s extremely well said look I’m far from a perfect human being but I always try to treat people respectfully um this is going to be a very very difficult time we don’t know what the

Future holds exactly but we all know it’s going to be hard and it’s going to be sad and no one is going to benefit from it I wish nobody would have to go through this nobody you’re right Elliot I couldn’t agree more let’s take a quick break when we

Come back 32 thoughts to the podcast welcome once again to 32 thoughts the podcast presented as Always by the GMC Sierra Jeff Merck Elliott Freedman Dom shatti along with you we have a lot to get to today whether it is Utah Elliot whether it is the Los

Angeles Kings Elliott whether it is the Ottawa Senators Elliott whether it is and we’ll start here Patrick W and the New York Islanders in Montreal on Thursday nights quite the evening um it opened up beautifully as we’ve said before I’ve always made this point there are two places in the world where they

Do celebrations prop one is Buckingham Palace the other is the Bell Center and we saw that Elliott during the national anthem the video montage Patrick W I think tried to hold it together and didn’t do a very good job no one no one could hold it together when you put

Something like that together your thoughts on before we get to the game itself your thoughts on the Montage the tribute to Patrick at the Bell Center I think everybody realized this week that the game of hockey is better when Patrick W is involved than no nobody recognizes that more than the fans here

In Montreal a rockus Ovation for him when they started showing pictures of him on the video board during the national anthem and the standing ovation that continued through the end of the anthem and almost to the opening face off tonight did you see w at the end of The

Anthem yeah he kind of swallows a little bit and oh yeah like it got to him really got to him in a good way in a really good way but did you see what he tried to do to to get his attention off it right away it was like

Fist bumps to the assistant coach okay come on let’s get into this it’s like no one’s buying it no one’s no one’s buying it it’s okay to be you know that kind of emotional about a moment like that those things can be really tough some players have told me before cuz

Especially if it’s about you or someone you’re really close with um you you really have trouble focusing on the game like Jeff when we think about Patrick W and emotional we think about fiery nature we think about passion we don’t think about sentimental like there’s not

A lot of sentimental Patrick W out there like the day he retires and the great question Who was the player on a breakaway that really scared you and he’s like no one like even on the day he retires he’s he’s not giving it up defiant the defiant Patrick W but in

That moment for one of the few times you see him look really sentimental how much that that meant to him and the thing I thought about when I was looking at him is you know Marty San Louise got a big future there and I think he’s doing

Going to do a great job there and win a lot there but you kind of have to look at that and imagine what would it be like if Patrick coaching them arre all canadi I know I know I know we all thought it ell G 42 they’re booing them after a 21

Loss but you know I I couldn’t help but think about it and then the team came out and just had us laid an absolute egg uh in the first couple of minutes although they came back and tied it tough tough loss in regulation I I think

The other thing I really liked about the day in Montreal I was disappointed when I heard the allers weren’t doing a morning skate I was I was really disappointed when I heard that cuz you know I I understand L larell the team is bigger than the individual and but Patrick W

Coaching in Montreal after all these years I know it’s it’s a so I was at least happy there was an early media conference and it was a good media conference it was so I was glad there was something cuz I thought we really lost something initially by them not

Being there in the morning do you ever associate sentimentality with L larell Elliot well we’ll call this the unsentimental duo W and Laro but you know we are I mean you don’t have to sell Patrick W in Montreal I’m sure every ticket was sold but at least we

Got that media conference cuz initially I was like really but at least we got that media conference uh we did and we got a very interesting game we got a very exciting game we got a very controversial game and quick couple of thoughts before we we got to that you know Furious ending

Sequence to this one uh your thoughts on Brendan Gallagher on Adam pelic pelic did obviously not look very good um going off the high hit from Gallagher the five in the game and we suspect a knock on the door from George peros well look as we tape this pod we have not

Seen a notification yet brenon Gallagher’s never been suspended I believe he’s been fine once um but the only question for me is is this iners or not and you know we talked on the last podcast about Yanni gourd the suspension that he got um I was surprised he got

Two games but then you realize he there was an injury involved and he’d been suspended once before there is an injury involved here and pelic is already returning from a concussion earlier this season so what you’re looking at here for Gallagher is a dirty play that is

The kind of play the NHL really targets and two and we’ll see how it plays out there’s an injury so to me the only question is in person or not and reminder for in person they have the option to suspend for more than five yes and it was that um that penalty that

Allowed the the Islanders to jump back into the game uh Power Play Goals by Matt barzel and Kyle pal and we were all thinking wow the Islanders have got this into overtime but then cue the heroics Sha Monahan with his second goal of the game and the Montreal Canadians end up

Winning this one by a final score of four to3 that was quite the closing sequence at the Bell Center on Thursday night Elliott uh sha Mahan is a really interesting case cuz I’ve noticed there’s this big debate online uh about do the Canadians get a first round pick for Shawn Monahan well

There’s a couple things I look at here I would say that a it depends on how many teams are interested and B it also depends on you know what the chances are of a team being interested to resign him um I I would say the base Baseline he’s

Probably not a guy they’re going to get a first rounder for unless a team wants to extend him or there’s such a race for him that it pushes it up into that first round range I think the most interesting thing I heard about Monahan is first of

All there is a lot of respect for him when you think of the kinds of things that he’s come back from and Y you know how he’s still playing after his body basically broke down people really admire his passion for the game that this is a guy who

Uh really loves hockey so people really respect that about him the critique I heard about him is that how high is a Stanley Cup Contender it’s not even really a critique about him it’s just about roster building is how high can a Stanley Cup Contender put him in the

Lineup like if you’re looking for a second line Center on a really good team and you look at who you’re going to face in the playoffs night in and night out not sure that that’s the guy like Vancouver for example I don’t know that um if you’re looking to put someone in

Between say the 649 line if they stay together and Teddy Bluer I’m not for that spot I’m not sure that he’s their guy that’s why I think Vancouver is looking at more like ly Holm or Adam Henrik guys like that who can obviously everyone knows gansel but Linn holer

Adam Henrik guys who can sort of move around your lineup I think if you’re looking for a really good third line Center and you don’t need him to take a top six role I I know there’s a couple of thing teams who think that’s a more

Perfect spot for him but what he’s doing is impressive he’s up to what 33 points he’s having a good really good year you know it would be a wild story too if they do end up somehow getting a first-rounder for sha Monahan then we can say they got a first rounder for

Taking him and got a first rounder for trading him we make him more than one of the more interesting players um in recent memory around the NHL uh another dangerous hit on Thursday night Elliott in the Calgary Columbus game Jonathan hubero um with a bad one uh catches Jack

Roslovic from behind uh head first into the glass Boon Jenner comes in you can see Huber’s face right away like G I didn’t mean to do that but nonetheless he did that well also it’s not the same level as gager like no at least it’s it’s not

A good play as you’re right like huberto has to ease up there it’s right from behind but at least he’s doing it in the context of you know trying to make a play the Gallagher one is in Another Universe um but yeah he got ejected and

We’ll see where this one goes uh huberto also not a guy with a dangerous reputation or a dirty reputation no all but you know it’s a he deserve the five minutes and you hope Jack roslovic is okay um okay so Patrick W the gift that keeps on giving he’s the Christmas

Morning story uh we’ll still be talking about Patrick W I’m sure at the same time next week Elliots um nothing Patrick W does is quiet uh and usually everything is a headline and there’s a few more headlines we should probably go over here oh by the way

Here’s what I wanted to mention last week on the podcast we were talking about which game in specific had the most Hol of Famers involved in it and wondering hm I wonder what game that could be oh yeah you know who do you know who came to our rescue who’s that EJ

Radic sent me a sent me a text with the answer and the answer is 19 19 players in one specific game 1956 Stanley Cup final game five Detroit Montreal 19 Hall of Famers now Al Arbor was in the game he later went on he later went into the Hockey Hall of Fame

As a coach well he’s still in the Hall of Fame he’s still in the Hall of Fame but EJ radic great job bud you and we checked it out too EJ’s right on the money 1956 Stanley Cup final game five Detroit Montreal 19 Hall of Fame Elliot

In that game EJ Ric you are as we say in French come FR Premier the first star thanks for coming through with that one by the way I have another answer to something from last week’s pod but we’ll do it at the end of the segment so just

Me looking forward to that one very much very good very good um okay let’s focus on the LA Kings here for a while things are not going what’s word I’m looking for good for the Los Angeles Kings Losers of 12 UNG good Losers of 12 the

Last 14 games hey it’s a copar night celebrating a number of different accomplishments for the captain of the Los Angeles Kings hey look the Los by the way that was that was a great little ceremony I loved it I listen I loved everything about the ceremony I love the

Way that Daryl Evans was dressed for the occasion as well he looked fantastic the Los Angeles Kings go up 3 to one at the end of 20 minutes against the Buffalo Sabers it’s cruise control the kings are back this is awesome and they render four goals in a

Row afterwards Drew dowy did not mince words talking about how we went up 3 to one and some I’m paraphrasing here some players uh just thought that this was a points night it was a cookie night I think we got guys in this room are too worried about themselves and worried

About their points and worried about stuff like that we get a 3-1 lead tonight and you know guys start thinking it’s a it’s a cookie night and we stopped playing the way we know to play have an awful second period and then aren’t much better in the third uh Todd

McCullen um both Angry Dad and disappointed dad at the same time as well uh they head off for a three-game road trip before their little break they face off against Colorado St Louis and then Nashville then they have a pause uh your thoughts on what Los Angeles is going through right now this

Is not the team we saw at the beginning of the Season Elliots no it’s it’s definitely not that looked like an absolute Stanley Cup Contender a team that was going to be nightmare to deal with even in a really tough division made angles look smart smart well you know what that’s

Probably what undid them as much as anything else is that Eric Engles was on their bandwagon they had no chance with that clearly although again this year my predictions have been an absolute nightmare position he itself when that happens with dowy it’s like when it happened with devontes in Colorado yes

It’s never coming out to the media without first being internal so what that’s telling you is internally they’ve been hammering each other about this they have been this has been an issue internally for some time and now Drew dowy is like I’m disgusted and I’m I don’t care and it’s boiling

Over it’s almost like in any relationship that goes sour sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to get it back right that was Rock Bottom in Drew Dow’s mind so he’s putting it out there now all these guys like people are guessing is he talking about because they’re talking about because you know

You know what it does it’s like the guys who get points right like oh is he talking about kempe or is he talking about fiala like who’s he talking about so now people are are guessing are absolutely guessing and always healthy always because if it’s not you and people are

Guessing you you’re like what did I do to deserve this why am I catching this stay yes yeah very good now look I think I think obviously a lot of this is focusing on dubba and especially because mlen called him out basically in a in a reasonably

Polite way but he he did call him out he said guys got to be better it’s time it we cannot wait for Pierre Luke DUIs anymore and the thing about Pierre Luke Dubois I in my life have the right to switch jobs as I see fit and Pierre Luke

Dua as per of the CBA has the right to use the CBA to his Advantage as much as he can can okay mhm but what’s your line dogs never bark at Park cars no no no yeah dogs don’t bark at Park cars that’s right so when you

Put yourself out there like that and especially the way you know Columbus traded him after he had that shift where he didn’t do anything yeah and Winnipeg traded him when um you know he said I’m not going to sign their long term which again is his right you piss off people

And people start rooting against you people out there can have this debate about whether or not that’s right or that’s fair but that’s the way it is that’s the way it works and there’s no question people are having their shout and Freud on Dubois right now and the the people

Who don’t like him they are loving this now my interest in this is purely okay what’s what’s going on on here he’s better than this he is a much much better player than this and what someone told me is and this is someone who’s seen a lot of Dubois over the

Years is that the word on him is when he wants to play He’s A Difference Maker he changes games oh yeah he is exactly what the la king hoped they were getting on this 8-year deal the problem is and this is what someone said to me about du is that he

Takes nights off where he’s not into it as much and it can be very frustrating it frustrated Columbus and it frustrated Winnipeg and the problem now is that when you’re on this salary you cannot take that many games off like nobody plays 80 per 84 how many games we play

Now you have 82 thank you thank you for your help nobody can play 82 perfect games it’s not humanly possible but when you’re a team’s top player your percentage of games that aren’t very good especially when things aren’t going well it has to be very very low and when

Your team is struggling it basically has to be zero cuz people look at you and say you’re one of our highest paid players we need you out here and that’s what this person said to me is that you know the contract is the contract you’re worth what someone is willing to pay you

But the more you get paid the more the pressure ratchets up and when you’re that guy that the team goes out and get and says this is the final piece which is essentially what the LA Kings did it’s a double whammy now you really can’t can’t have too many nights off and

Pierre Luke du in his history teams who had him felt he has more nights off than you need from an absolute core star player and that is what dubis is going to have to change when you look at this Los Angeles Kings team a team that is right now in

Freef Fall as they hit the road as I mentioned Colorado St Louis Nashville composition or coaching is always the question we ask about any situation what do you think the issue is here and what do you think La does about it look I I think if they really wanted

To make a change they could have made it on Thursday like I don’t think they want to make a coaching change I think that they believe that one of the reasons they like they were floundering a couple years ago right they weren’t where they wanted to be in their rebuild yep and

Mlen comes in he installs a structure and you know they they make the playoffs two years ago they lose in seven games to the Oilers they make the playoffs last year they lose in six games to the Oilers now but they believe that he was creating a structure that

Like people were picking them for the Stanley this year you know Eric wasn’t the only one yep there I mean there were questions in goal but the roster and the way they played I think they look at him and said he was a big reason for that so

I think they want to reward that but you know I’ll tell you this week in the NBA Jeff there was a coach who was fired his in his first season he was 30 and 13 I think they were the third best team in the league Adrien Griffin is his name

Is coaching the Milwaukee Bucks now is Lou L the GM of that team too it’s actually really funny you know now I I haven’t read enough about it obviously there’s been a lot going on this week more serious but so I haven’t had a chance to read a lot about it but

You know someone said to me that there’s going to be a team that looks at this in hockey and going to say hm this NBA team just did this and you look at all the bounces we’ve had so far John Hines initially Chris noblock initially although that I believe is as

Much health as anything else um someone looked at me and said there’s going to be a GM or an owner in the NHL who’s going to look at that 30 and 13 Coach getting fired and saying you know what sometimes record be damned we got to do what or the way it

Looks be damned or history be damned we got to do we got to be a bit more Cutthroat and you know but I I really do think the Kings say a lot of the gains they’ve made structure-wise are because of mlen and I think they they really don’t want to change

That unless they absolutely have to uh anything else on La a couple more things I I wonder here do they kind of unleash Clark a little bit more like right now Brant Clark s listeners Grant Clark the defenseman okay like the like the fans out there are

Wondering you know Clark and Spence they never play together really um and I don’t think coaches are trying to sabotage themselves I always think that there’s a reason that they’re doing what they are but I wonder if you get to a point where you simply say all right

Time to try something a little bit different I wonder if you get there H I just want to see Clark Moore because I’m fascinated by him as a player like that’s what it like I see the numbers he put up in the American Hockey League this year oh yeah I just

Want I want to see more of it at the NHL level but again I don’t think coaches sabotage themselves I think they have a reason but sometimes circumstances force you into changing your reasons Elliot can I be that guy okay can I be that guy that says things like

This I saw him play for the Dom Mills flyers in the GTHL I saw him play for the Barry Colts of the OHL if he’s even remotely close at the NHL level to what I saw in the GTHL and the OHL Elliot look out you’re going to

Have a lot of fun watching this guy last year when he went back to the OHL it was so clear it was so clear that he had completely outgrown the league and was ready for his next challenge if La gets anything close to that defenseman look out he’s so much fun to

Watch you’re bang on so much fun to watch thank you for letting me be that guy on the um okay a couple of other things here um Eric Johnson and the Buffalo Sabers you know Buffalo is the opponent um for the uh for the Los Angeles Kings the other

Night where things went South um and I think we’re wondering I know about the future of the Buffalo Sabers uh what is the thought on the coaching staff what is the thought on the general manager what is the thought on trade deadline what is the thought on the goalie

Situation what’s the Thought on Eric Johnson I I have to so I’ve started to hear his name a little bit it makes a lot of sense it makes a lot of sense to me uh Eric Johnson is on a one-year contract um he is a couple years and not

A big number 3.25 so it’s it’s manageable and you’d also be willing to see what Buffalo is willing to do and he’s only a couple years removed for m Cup Championship mhm really good team guy keeps himself in great shape loves like we’re talking about Monahan really

Loves hockey I just had some people say watch this one there’s going to be interest in Eric Johnson and unfortunately for the Sabers it’s not going to work out this year you know how teams out there feel this is the kind of guy they love adding for the playoffs

Totally winning reputation easy fit in your dressing room you know the other thing someone said to me is because he’s been in the Western Conference all this time and switched to the east you know he’s a guy who understands both conferences like you talk about the

Adjustment from east to west or west to east and how the conferences are different you don’t worry about that with Eric Johnson because he’s been in this one after playing in the other one for a long time um you know to me so I I

Think this is a name to watch um like I said I just had a couple people say to me put Eric and he’s a right-hand shot and and they just said put Eric Johnson on your radar the Sabers are going to have some options here interesting uh

Also in that same division the Ottawa Senators and they had a very interesting Thursday morning specifically Steve stos general manager uh giving johnon is a pro uh he’s a pro but he probably wants to go somewhere for the Stanley Cup this year I really believe that but you know

Pros are what and veterans are what the Ottawa Senators are very much looking for to complement the group that they have right now according to General Manager Steve stos um a couple of things about this presser and you know Patrick W’s name was discussed Jacob chickin was

Discussed uh the core was discussed flat tereno was discussed the one thing that has always struck me about Steve stos when I hear him speak publicly it almost seems Elliot as if he’s determined not to be that guy on Twitter ever not gonna give anyone that 20

Second sound bite that’s gonna be all over Twitter he’s very calm he’s very measured he’s very deliberate we know that he’s a very thoughtful guy as well um but what were some of your takeaways from the Theo’s State of the Union Address on Thursday well I I think that

Goes to what we’ve talked about that they just generally want to calm the noise in Ottawa that it goes back back to what we tal like like the Sanders players saying there’s too much craziness there so number one I think stos was a player and what’s one of the

Things he got upset about that Chan’s name was out there that’s very playeres right a lot of the GMS who were former players like Ron hexall like Ron hexall people didn’t like his secrecy he told me once that’s why he was so secret because he he knew what it was like to

Have your name out there and he didn’t like it and sto strikes me as as because he referred to that directly he’s a former player he’s he’s saying you know what uh he doesn’t like that so I I think that has a lot to do with it but

Also it’s hey I just don’t want to pour any gasoline on the fire there’s been too much of it here lately right you know it’s um it’s interesting when he when he talked about not not liking Jacob tricker’s name out there did you not get cuz he kind of walked right up

To the line I was half expecting him to say how you know disappointed he was and other general managers for you know Whispering that you know the Ottawa Senators were were talking about Jacob tricken he kind of walked up to that line but never quite crossed it but you

Know the tricken thing is interesting um I think that there was a lot of interest around the Michael andlauer um interview on France in French uh and his intimations about Patrick W and the timing of everything and how that didn’t work uh for the a Senators did did you

Have a thought on the conversation around here we are talking about Patrick W again about Patrick W and the Ottawa Senators well what was his quote the timing isn’t right yes yes so I think what that’s about is what if we talked about that the Senators have said

Publicly and privately we have to get this coaching hire right we have to get it right now as much as we all love W if and what’s happening this week how would you feel if the Ottawa Senators were told you’ve got to hire Patrick W right now and you can’t talk to anybody

Else or or or you have to move up your hiring process now so anyone you talk to has to be available for now although although really if you’re if you’re going for w right now you know like let’s just say he W said he was offered

The job Friday so let’s just say it’s last Wednesday and Patrick W calls you and says look I could be going somewhere else do you want me what that said to me was the Ottawa Senators if that was presented to them they weren’t doing it they were like that’s not enough of a

Search to me it said that similar to what you’re saying is they want to talk to a lot of people that they’re not allowed to talk to right now yeah 100% I mean that’s obvious that’s so obvious I left it to you and wasn’t even going to say

It well that’s my job on this podcast here to to play the wait a minute Elliot are you trying to tell us that blank blank blank blank blank um you know I I think it’s interesting too and you know the sort of undercurrent of everything in Ottawa when it comes to coaching um

And I want to get your thoughts on this as well is Craig barui and we all know the association um with Craig buuy and Dave pulin um former teammates uh pulin has talked um openly and flatteringly about Craig barui and so we you know we say to ourselves okay if barui comes in

It’s a Dave pulin decision and that very well may be true but one of the things that I wonder when it comes to Craig barui Stanley Cup champion St Louis Blues as much as it may be an association with Dave Pand and again here I’m not saying that a player is

Making a coaching decision all I’m saying is this player through his father is well acquainted with Craig barui and barui knows the family very well that would be a very big Brady kachuck move as well let me ask you something in this case do you think that’s a plus or a

Minus I assume it’s a plus do you not I actually had this debate with someone the other day and and first of all let me just say yeah let me cuz actually I said it’s obviously a plus and someone said to me I don’t think it is and it’s

A and it’s someone who I think is very smart I said why don’t you think that that’s a good thing like to me it’s obvious and he said first of all I think Craig baru is an excellent coach I said okay Keith kachak and and DJ Smith had an excellent

Relationship and he said if you’re trying to change things up there and trying to push the players to go to the next level would you want that same kind of thing or would you want something different and I kind of laughed and I said do you think that Keith kachuck

Could tell Craig baru what to do I said I I actually think Craig baru could be one of the few people that could put could stuff Keith kachuck into a locker and but he said you know but you know he said no he says like if I was the

Manager I don’t know if I’d do it and like I don’t know how the Senators feel about this and as you said Dave Pand said really nice things about uh Craig barui before and he’s got a lot of respect but I just wanted to When you

Mention that I just wanted to put it out there because I just thought it was an interesting perspective like you know he said there’s a lot of people in hockey who know the kachuck and like the kachuck and they deserve it they’re great hockey players and a great family

Um but you just wondered would you would you go for a second coach who was really tight with the family two more things from the stos pressor that I want to go over with you quickly here uh one the Vlad tereno question and he said yes

He’s of course we all know he’s an impending unrestricted free agent trade deadlines on the horizon and he said he hasn’t had any conversations with flat tereno or his Representatives but then I’m curious how you see this one to me he went into shine Vlad tereno for trade

Deadline mode and started talking about what a great player he is and how good he is in with the organization and how he’s a two-way guy and and so helpful etc etc etc you know let’s never lose sight of the fact that you know Vlad tereno was not signed by Steve stos uh

That was a peorian signing for the uh for the Ottawa Senators it was almost as if I’m not sure if you got the same feeling Elliot he went into this mode of I’m shining up a I’m shining up a player here for trade deadline this is me talking publicly about how great Vlad

Tereno is with the hopes that someone will bite a trade deadline on him now he has a no trade so I understand but still did you get that same feeling when he talked about tereno oh yeah oh yeah but also like I said stos is an ex player

He’s not going to publicly dump on players no he’s not the other thing unless you really make him mad yes and we’ve seen coaches do that and we just talked about the Los Angeles Kings Elliott um one final thing and I thought and maybe this is just semantics here

But I don’t know my my ears perk up when I hear things like this and maybe you do as well he talked about how they’re still evaluating the core and I don’t know if I’m reading too much into this but I kind of took that

As we know who the core is we just don’t know how married we are to them did you hear that this the same way yes and I I think that I think that’s a change from uh even as as recently as last month um I think I think a couple of things have

Happened number one and it’s the key Chen’s up for a new deal after this year and to me that more than anything else is the reason his name has gotten out there is that you know Shabbat is signed long term Sanderson is signed longterm shikan is not signed longterm and I do

Believe that the Sanders are looking for an experienced defenseman I I think that’s part of like when he’s talking about I’m looking for a pro I think he’s looking for a pro on the blue line and not just someone who’s there I’m a great guy like someone who can play um I think

That’s one of his shopping lists and those can cost you but what it comes down to is if Chan prices himself out of Ottawa in a year from now either he’s going to have to go or someone else is going to have to go like that’s just the

Reality of the situation so when he said and also sometimes too like I do think obviously he’s an ex-player and he wants to limit the noise around them but he doesn’t want them to be entirely comfortable and that’s his way of saying uh I would like them all to be here but

If they don’t play like we should all be here then we’ll make changes it’s that simple so the cap and player performance that was a really interesting press conference I am uh I’m very intrigued uh by Steve stos I I really am okay so that is Ottawa anything else before we get on

To what we all believe was a really juicy story here with a lot of tentacles anything else before we get to Ryan Smith in Utah well we should mention the return of Meo hinan in Dallas and a Thomas Harley Breakout night the overtime game winner and uh 23 minutes

Uh just under played Dallas is obviously a very different team with hen in in the lineup and I actually think one of the biggest races in the NHL this year is going to be first place in the Central division now right now winipeg has the top points percentage at 707

Like it’s going to be those three teams one two or three like Nashville and St Louis they’re not catching those three teams no but you’ve got Winnipeg at 707 and Colorado and Dallas you know just behind them but Winnipeg has the one team with games in hand you do not want

To finish second or third in that division you want to finish first in that Division and we’re still waiting for injury news on Josh morresy who got hurt the other night in Toronto so so um you know that that’s one thing that stood out to me we should mention Oliver

Shillington’s return in Calgary he came back uh played his first game they put him in the starting starting lineup great Ovation so good uh from the from the Calgary fans the only thing I didn’t like about that game bad injury for AJ Greer who’s played uh really well for

Them he went into the boards and had one of those um you know Moise Alo style injury is just yeah not good gross and painful so you hope he’s okay um and you know the other thing we should mention was a weird situation two pucks tonight fired into the bench accidentally injuring people

Travis Green had to coach the third period for New Jersey because Lindy rth was hit by a puck and was was taken out and then Cole cyinder shot hits Adam bfist and bfist has to leave the game just strange coincidence on a really tough night for the Devils vanich got knocked out early

Um you know you’re missing Hughes and you’re missing Hamilton that’s a lot there’s there’s not a lot of teams that can overcome that and you know I’ll tell you I I’m watching ing you know I’m watching this game in in goal for New Jersey it’s another rough night for them

In net and I I just you know checked out Akira Schmid and you know Jeff this at the end of the year there’s going to be a big essay to get done on goenda Schmid last year he beats the Rangers in the first round and he looks

Like a real stud and you know he’s really struggling this year his AHL numbers are not very good this has been one of the strangest seasons ever for it’s like Goldie are Superman and there’s all sorts of kryptonite around and some of it’s the green Kryptonite that temporarily takes away your powers

And you eventually recover and some of it you’re like is this the gold Kryptonite where you just never recover you never get your powers back and um it’s it’s really like samsonov looks like he’s never going to play again and all of a sudden he’s won two games in a

Row and the fans are giving him an ovation um it’s it’s just been a wild year in that New Jersey is really going like like I I’ll really say it again I think that the Devils make a short-term playing goal maybe you think you have to

Do it for ticket sales or whatever but I’m I’m going long term if I’m them like you can like if I if I’m going going for a goalie I’m going for someone who’s got some term I had a really interesting text conversation with someone this morning uh about Goenda team right now given this nature of a lot of goal tenders are hot one year cold another year the unpredictability of them Etc and this person that I was texting with brought up an incredible point this is someone who’s in the NHL orbits let’s

Just say um said to me one of the great things a team can have that you guys never talk about is having a goalie coach who has the ability to recognize in a golender that this is someone that we know we can improve that they can recognize the area

Where Improvement is needed and know that they can get and and know that they have the ability to get to that next level he said if you don’t have someone that can do that in your organization you’re going to be forever at the whims of I guess what we’ve always called

Colender Voodoo and wondered like okay is it going to be the good year for this guy or the bad year for this guy again it was just one conversation but I’ve kind of been thinking about it all day um let me swing back to another thing

You said a couple of seconds ago with the Dallas Stars you know who looks really good you know who looks really good playing with Jason Robertson and rupe hins Wyatt Johnson looks so good on that line Elliott he’s first he stole pavel’s house now he’s stealing his linemates I

Know it’s so true uh it’s so true uh okay let let’s get to a and we should also shout out the Carolina Hurricanes for their mom’s storm surge post game very I I did love by the way even before that uh the other day uh seeing Brady Shay’s mom

Read out the starting lineup that was a great touch I love it I’m a sucker for I’m a sucker for all that stuff that was okay now before we get to expansion there’s one last thing so in our last a lot of last things jeez okay and one of

The questions we asked was about what happens if there’s a draft snafu okay okay yes so I had a couple of notes about this I had one uh person uh say to me here’s the way it goes because you didn’t explain it entirely correctly which is kind of my way of doing things

You submit the pick electronically and they call you to confirm the player they received so there is actually an opportunity to fix it if if you submit the wrong name it’s after that that they tell you to to go ahead and that’s why sometimes the clock can go below zero

Because you can put the pick in with 10 seconds left and have 45 seconds go by before they call you and then signal the stage so it’s done okay now that does not eradicate human error now you know Andy Kyoto right cender so someone said to me there’s only one

Player who’s been drafted three times and it’s Andy Kyoto and do you know why he was drafted three times Jeff why was Andy Kyoto drafted three times why was Andy K why was he why was he drafted three times I don’t know well so officially he was only drafted twice

In 2001 and L draft he was taken 166th by the Islanders and in the uh 2003 draft he was taken 199th overall by the Pittsburgh Penguins however earlier in that draft the Islanders draft in 01 where he got taken there he was in the crowd and the Atlanta Thrashers were at their

Table and they were going to take a pick and they entered it they had submitted it and it had been accepted and you know how it works in those rounds you’re told go ahead from your table and you blurt it out and they say okay next pick and they were talking

About because they were talking about Kyoto because he was on their list but he wasn’t the pick but when they mic was open and they were told to go they were talking about Kyoto so Andy Kyoto’s name name went over the loudspeakers that’s so good and everybody thought that was

The pick now Scott KR shank wrote a story in the athletic I went back and I referenced and I went to look for it someone actually sorry someone sent it to me and you know basically Kyoto had to go down and uh be told I’m sorry we made a mistake because they’d entered

The other players name that officially was their pick and so uh according Scott story they tried the Thrashers tried to take another tra make make a trade to get another pick to take him they wanted to do right by him but the Islanders stepped up and got him and Dan Mah who

Scouted for the Thrashers then and now uh does central scouting in the NHL to his credit he owned it he owned it to Kyoto he owned it to Kyoto’s family the agent he did interviews about it he said look it was my mistake I didn’t mean to

Do it he owned it and uh which I always think is the real true thing to do especially in a hard day so that is and by the way the Scout who sent me this said tell Jeff I’m very disappointed he didn’t know this oh Anonymous Scout take

A number I mean seriously like go stand in that line over there it’s pretty long uh good for Dan Mara though you know the old saying that I always like to talk about on this podcast and elsewhere when you mess up fess up and dress up good for danar now Ryan Smith and

Utah going back to last year on this podcast when we spoke to Ryan Smith um that was the first sort of popping up onto the radar for a lot of people uh for this gentleman who owns the Utah Jazz of the NBA and this week he has

Officially asked the NHL to open up the expansion process um that was met with a favorable response from the NHL and saying things like we look forward to continuing the discussion and there was a lot of complimentary things said about the uh the Smith group uh leading

Everyone to believe that this is maybe just a formality now at this point that somewhere down the road maybe sooner than later Utah will have an NHL team forcing us to rename this podcast and maybe your blog as well um what did you make of the Ryan Smith Ryan Smith news

This week God help us don’t go to 36 um well first of all uh by the way I I I do think if if and when because I do think Utah is going to get a team um it it’s not going to be the Salt Lake City whatevers no it’ll be the it’s

Going it’ll be the Utah team yes because they do it with the basketball team and they’re going to do it uh with the hockey team too cuz there’s a question about whether the arena uh which they’re supposed to get for the 2034 uh Olympics um I don’t know if it’s going to be

Downtown or it’s going to be I don’t I don’t know what’s the proper word to say the outskirts or the suburbs uh but it’s so it’s going to be a Utah team not a Salt Lake City team you know my feeling on this is this is the NHL

Saying if you’re interested in a team come get us come tell us because we’re the like Ryan Smith doesn’t do this without the NHL’s approval there’s no way you have to go from The Mark Chipman B book which is be quiet until we tell you not to be quiet

And that’s what Mark Chipman did so nothing happens without the NHL’s approval so this is a marker if you’re interested in expansion team in the NHL start reaching out to us because we at least we’re getting ready for it we’re planning for it we want to know what the

Interest is and we want it out there that we want to hear submissions of Interest so that’s number one you know the other thing here too is and the reason I think that this is real is that we’re three years into a seven-year deal in the states our deal has two years

Left and one of the things that people look at is how many US markets are there well in the NFL there’s 32 um in in Major League Baseball there’s what 29 in the NBA there’s 31 or whatever it is and they’re going to expand probably to Vegas and Seattle and

In the NHL there’s 25 and uh I think they see there is room in the United States for more teams as much as that makes a lot of you cringe and I get it they see it as there are still more space is here and I believe

This if the coyotes leave Arizona they will sort out their Arena situation and they will go back there like Arizona if the coyotes leave will not be a forsaken Market by the NHL they will go back there so that’s one thing it’s it’s expansion we want to know who’s out

There and they’re four years away from a new US TV deal follow the money now the other thing is at the last Board of Governor’s meeting in December we heard that the commissioner or the Deputy Commissioner whether it was bman or Daly or whoever it

Was had made it clear to the board that they wanted to know by the end of January or or else basically now I will concede that when it comes to the Arizona Coyotes and their history this target has moved around it has not like when you think there’s a deadline there’s another

Deadline but the reason that I think that there’s and I’ve been using it too the reason that we’re talking about that time is that’s what was said at the board of Governor’s meeting and when I asked around if that was accurate it was not disputed to me so clearly something

Was put on the table indicating that and I know that when the Jets got their team back in 2011 the move didn’t happen until June or May or June or whenever it was it doesn’t mean the league wasn’t planning it beforehand you have to put things in motion to get it

Done so then here becomes the question or one of the questions then uh this Ryan Smith appeal to the NHL um I’m imagining obviously it puts Utah in motion uh as you mentioned you know it’s one of those like okay let’s see what you’re holding show us your

Cards here I would imagine that this if I’m going to pick another Market here puts Atlanta in motion for what many believe to be an inevitability well I I just think that all of these options are going to be out there right I I think that’s what they’re kind

Of looking at like okay is it going to be salt L sorry Utah Utah or is it going to be another market and if ATL is capable they could be in the mix too I mean we’ll see but what this was to me is that it’s them

Saying we want to know who’s out there and who’s who’s legit okay uh on that we’ll finish up this block uh want to let you know as well coming up after the Montana’s thought line you will hear from Rick bonis the head coach of the Winnipeg Jets uh but quick break back

With your questions and our goofy answers don’t go Anywhere listen to the 32 thoughts podcast add free on Amazon music included with Prime Welcome back to the program welcome back to the podcast all week long we we build towards one very specific moment where Elliot warms up his vocal cords for his Grand moment here on the podcast here we go welcome once again to the Montana’s thought line Montana’s barbecue and bar Canada’s home for

Barbecue try the ribs and Dave Maloney will this weekend Oh will he do you have a story behind that one what’s the story well remember the last time he told us that the Rangers were in Toronto so they he wanted to go to a Montanas but there

Just wasn’t one close enough to downtown well the the great people at Montanas heard this and the Rangers play tonight and then they go to Ottawa on Saturday and they will have some ribs ready for him and the Rangers broadcast team they are so good you must count your fingers

Afterwards I understand 32ths sportsnet.ca is the email 1833 311 3232 uh 32ths at sportsnet.ca 1833 311 3232 this is a fun one Marcel from Edmonton bless you I love this question Elliot Saturday’s surprise firing of Lane Lambert and hiring of Patrick w got me thinking are there any

Restrictions on who NHL teams can hire to coach their team only coaching Association members members maybe or would it be possible for a team to get crazy and decide to randomly hire quote Marcel from Edmonton off the streets to coach them absolutely they could do that

No you don’t have to be a member of the coaching Association to coach an NHL team if someone wanted to hire Marcel from Edmonton they could hire Marcel from Edmonton good luck Marcel we’ll start putting you on the list of potential candidates for various coaching agencies Marcel from Edmonton

If that is indeed your real name okay here I love questions like this Brent from Hudson hey guys enjoy the Pod every week just wondering who would get credit for a goal if the defensive centerman drew the puck directly back into his own net with the opposing sentimen not

Having touched the puck during the faceof Elliott I found an example of this October 2011 Boston and Montreal there is a faceof and you can find it online where Thomas Panet is taking the draw against Patrice berson and plenet wins the face off and it goes right through Carrie Price’s

Legs it’s the first goal of the game Boston takes a one to nothing lead now this story young Jeffrey does have a good ending Panet scored later this time on the Boston to give the Canadians a 2-1 Victory so but the goal was credited to berson who

Took the draw against them yes so you know what the interesting thing about that is and yes that is the answer even if the player doesn’t touch the puck it’s the opposing Center who gets credit for the goal I mean my thought is why don’t you give the goal to the linesmen

For example hey lony you got your first career NHL goal you touched the puck before the other centerman did no Elliots right the opposing centerman does get credit for the goal but you know what the interesting point about that is what’s that they take the loss on the draw you lose

The draw and score a goal you get credit for a goal but you also get credit for a Faceoff I’ll take the L I’ll take the goal over the L I can deal with that I think most people would as well uh okay Carson from Rock Springs hey Wyoming

Check you out uh Jeff and Elliot Carson here a sharks fan in Wyoming I was watching the Sharks Kings shootout on Monday and upon watching the replay of Fabian zand’s goal that ended the game I found self questioning whether or not the goal should have counted it looked

To me like zerland pulled the puck back a fair amount on his stick handle right before snapping it past Dave rck everything I’ve seen and heard says that the puck must always be moving towards the goal line in a shootout attempt are there any exceptions to this such as

Quote being in the middle of a stick handling move or something of the sort there was no second look by the officials or the Kings I would imagine they would know what they’re doing and this was a legal move but the play intrigued me nonetheless and I wanted to

Get your thoughts keep up the good work thanks for the podcast cheers Carson in Wyoming Elliot well first of all Carson I would challenge you on one aspect of your question never assume that anybody knows what they’re doing because quite frankly most of us don’t basically there was a

Concession made a few years ago that as long as you’re headed towards the net they’re going to let almost anything go on a shootout SP because yeah that was the thing like the spinorama came up a few years ago and they had a big argument at a GM meeting I don’t know

How big an argument was but it was at least a conversation at a GM meeting saying well it’s a spinorama the pucks going backwards why are we allowing this and basically the answer was look it’s entertainment it’s a move to try to score um we’re not going to stand in the

Way of this like I think the I think the person actually would have to stop and skate back towards Center Ice before they didn’t count this stuff y so always assume as long as they’re making a move towards the net to try to score it’s

Going to count wonder if it was was it Sam G with the spinorama that started all of this one he did it and I think lenus omark was another one he had a spinorama move great question uh here’s another fun one uh Brett from Michigan

Hey Jeff Elliot and Dom did GMS I love this the gmss get angry at other GMS who claim their players off waivers if I waved one of my players and another GM scooped them up I’d be ticked off that’s my guy to throw away not yours to take I

Wonder if there’s any Unwritten rules related to this or any animosity built up in the past between GMS number one in our hearts keep up the great work guys I think Brett is thinking about these things like their offer sheets but it’s a funny and good question generally no there’s no problem

With that I think uh I think teams know if they put someone on waivers uh there’s a risk so I mean look it doesn’t take a lot for a general manager to get mad at something so I’m sure there have been occasions where a GM was annoyed or

Upset because they couldn’t make a trade or something like that but if you put a player on waivers that’s the risk how many times you think there are conversations certainly there are conversations about if I put player X on waivers will you claim him how many times you think there are conversations

About you know maybe Detroit is worried about Philadelphia or the Kings are worried about Arizona and there are conversations about if I put this player on waivers will you not claim him um I do I think those conversations happen periodically I know that there are teams

Who put guys on waivers and they sit there and say this guy might claim them you know a team is interested and you’ll try to trade the person and sometimes that GM might say you know what um I can get this player for free why should I have to give you a

Lottery ticket like a late round draft pick if I know I can get the player for free now on the other hand I have seen situations where a player was put on waivers went unclaimed but then got traded to a team the next day I can’t

Remember one off the top of my head but I remember it had it and I remember I called the GM and I said why don’t you just take the player for free and he said look at our contract situation I had no room to add without subtracting

Or uh he could say look uh for team budget I couldn’t add without subtracting a salary so all of that can play a part of it like I do think a lot of times when a GM puts someone on waivers they know if a player is going

To get claimed or not or have a pretty good idea we’ve also seen a player get placed on waivers clear and then get placed on waivers again the next day and not clear Anaheim Columbus looking your direction do you remember that one yeah that was uh that was the famous Todd

Marian Sergey federov deal that was indeed uh we love telling that story Brian Burke and Doug mlan love you guys uh great questions from everybody this week again the thought line number is 1 1833 311 3232 that is the thought line 32 thoughts at sportsnet.ca the way to

Get in by email our interview with Rick bonus head coach of the Winnipeg Jets is Next Okay welcome back to the podcast earlier this week uh just after the loss against the Boston Bruins and just a day before the loss overtime style against the tronto Maple Leafs Elliott and I sat down with the head coach of the Winnipeg Jets Rick bonis uh Rick’s one of our

Favorite guests that’s not exactly a secret um long-standing coach in the NHL either as a head coach or an assistant coach uh very thoughtful always gives wonderful answers and as we told him as we sat down before we did this interview Rick when you’re that good the first

Time around we ask you back so here’s our second go round with Rick bonis head coach of the Winnipeg Jets uh first of all Rick thanks so much uh for joining us again uh I’m sure you’re pretty sick of talking to me and Elliot but when you’re a great interview you you keep

Getting the invite again um you’ve been one of the big surprise stories your team the Winnipeg Jets one of the big surprise stories of the NHL so far this season has the success surprised even you or did you think yeah we’d be up around the top of the NHL at this point

In January well I’m glad you clarified it was the team that’s just surprised and not me I’m glad you you made that very clear not really I think if you go back to last year uh listen we had to make a lot of changes to the team in a

In a number of ways but the biggest way was on the ice the way we’re playing we had to change we wanted to change the systems we wanted to become more aggressive and and for a good spell of last year we we were doing that as the

Season wore on and when players get tired uh or the the Heat of the Moment In the game they Resort back to their what they’ve done for a long time so it it it there were times last year that we were going back to the way they were

Playing two years ago and they weren’t going back to the way we were started the play the season this year uh it’s it’s a lot easier for the for us to identify and the players to identify that okay we’re off our game a little

Bit go go back to the way we know how to play not and not the way we used to play a couple years ago so uh I know we I knew we had a good team list and we’ve got world class golender so it all starts with that uh Helen buck and elb

Has stepped in this year Lauren wasat and done a fantastic job so and the players um the players have bought in a lot more this year in in in terms of not so much of it but consistency of how we want to play and I think that’s led to

To the success it’s more that the players have completely bought in they understand how we want to play and and you’re seeing a much more consistent effort there’s been very few games uh we had one last night in Boston where we walked away and said well we weren’t

Very good for a couple of PE been very very few of those games after his number the number of games that we played you know I have a couple follows there but just talking about the Boston game there was one thing that happened at the end

Of the game that I really loved I think to me it said a lot about your team so there’s just a couple minutes left your net is empty you’re down 3-1 I mean you know you’re probably going to lose barring a miracle but you guys made it

Really hard for Boston to score that empty n like they had about three chances before they finally scored and all three of them you guys chased them down and prevented them from scoring it and I watched that and I said this is a team that knows they aren’t going to win

Tonight but whether it’s this record or their overall pride of play they’re saying we’re not we’re going down until The Bitter End and just watch ing that said to me a lot about who the Jets are this year yeah like the the first two periods were probably two of the worst

We’ve played all year that was our team is very good we’re near the tops of the leagues in terms of breakouts and when you break the puck out you’re able to play a lot faster and able to play your game a lot better we were we struggled

For the first couple of periods getting the puck out of our Zone and it wasn’t so much Boston as much us we had control the puck and we kept turning it over in the third period we started the goal and we started to play fast and we started

To put pressure on them so even at the end of the game the guys were still trying to win that game I know we were down two at that point but they take a lot of Pride they take pride in our goals against without a doubt that

Effort is what you’re talking about uh but they also in their minds they’re still in that game even though we’re down through we just need one then we can get a quick one so again it goes back to the Buy in from the players and the consistency of the players uh but

Again that effort is there uh especially at the end of the game and I did notice that as well they were doing everything they could so that saasa would not get that fourth goal Marian fought for that one like he fought for that empty you know that’s coming he’s on the ice and

They see an empty net Lookout we’re going to a whole another level here so get ready for it um you know the other thing too is there’s another was taking a big leap this year and that’s Vancouver and they talk a lot about what you just said there it’s that when

Things are going badly we’re reverting to what we’re supposed to do so like to me sometimes as an outsider I I think I these are the kinds of things that I kind of look at my own world if I know I’m doing something and properly I’m

Like how do I fix it and how do I commit to that both the kxs and the Jets have talked about how this year it’s clicked in to there’s a way we have to do things when things go wrong and we’re committed to that so I guess my dumb question is

Why does that take so long to happen or why doesn’t that happen more why does it suddenly click into a team well in terms of our team and I can’t speak for the conects but they played a certain way for five or six years those those systems become ingrained in you and

That’s how you play and your instincts take over and say that’s how we’re going to play so when we come in and we want to play more aggressive style all over the Ice uh it’s not always going to go your way so now you fall back on what we

Used to be able to do and and that’s it was it contradicts the way we wanted to play so this this year because we’ve harped on it all of last year and the one thing we keep saying is we know what we look like we know what we’re supposed

To look like when we’re playing well we know what that looks like we know who we are so last year there’s times it looked a little confused uh this year it it’s easier to identify okay this is not what we look like this is not what we’re

Supposed to do the players see it we see it and when we talk about it they they understand it a lot clearer it’s in their minds now they know how we look how we’re supposed to look when we’re playing well as a opposed to okay well

We used to do this but you you got to get that out of there and mentally it’s it’s not the physical side of the game it’s the mental side of the game you’re just you go back to your natural habits which made you come feel comfortable

When the game is heated up and things aren’t going well but now those instincts fall back into the way we want to play okay we’re not aggressive enough here let’s get going some teams there more okay we got to sit back a little bit more and but our team is we’re more

We’re better when we’re playing a much more aggressive style all over the ice so they see it when we’re sitting back or we’re not breaking the pck hold or we’re not we’re not putting a lot of pressure on them so they they they can see it now they know what we look like

When we’re playing well do you need results to make that work like it like if this team was 25th would that be happening but what results are you talking about the way you play the game or the end result the wins that’s a good me you can answer that question better

Than I can because we take care of the process and the end result will take care of itself we don’t base everything on the on the wind the wind WIS will come if we do all these things well if we play our winipeg jet hockey we know

The wins will come but the end of we’re not always say we got to win we got to win we got to win we say we got to do this we got to do this we got to do this and that is a daily process we take over

Practices and video uh we don’t talk about our place and the standings we’ve never talked about that streak the players we have never brought it up we’ve never said we’re in first second third fourth we’ve never brought that up what we talk about every day is the

Process and what a win a pig Jet game looks like what a Winnipeg jet player looks like fitting into that system you know you don’t have um success like that unless there is trust and one of the things that I I took away from our last conversation you were talking about

Victor Hedman and the way to unlock Victor Hedman who is you know deeply skeptical of pretty much everybody around him and you told Elliot and I that one of the things you did is you talk to him about everything other than hockey you would go for walks and not

Talk about hockey every day it’s a conversation not about hockey and it built up a trust between the two of you in Tampa when you took over in Winnipeg and maybe the beginning of this season too who was it important for you to get

That buy in from and how did you do it like were there a couple players that said I need these guys or this guy to be on the same level here with me I talked to all the players last year when I first got the job but yeah there’s the

Key guys you have to go to it started with for me with Connor hellu you got okay you’re the goalie what are you seeing in front of you what what do we need to change to make your life a lot easier then you have to go to the Stars

It was Mark morsey and Mark Schley and Kyle Connor and you got to go to those guys but you also have to include everyone everyone has to feel their part of it like their their roles are all different but their status has to be the same in terms of what their importance

To the team regardless if it’s 10 minutes or 20 minutes so one of the things which we try to do is do that make sure we’re getting everyone’s input everyone feels they have a voice and what and and that we are listening to them but obviously it’s the key guys

You’ve got to get to buy in if they don’t buy in the rest of the guys aren’t buying in but this year you’re watching our players are seeing Kyle Connor back check har mark schia back check har taking hits to make plays uh so that’s

See but it’s so last year for me it started with the key guys but it’s also touching base with every one of them to get their opinion so that they all feel that they’re part of the part of the process part of the part of the solution

Moving forward but again they stat they all have to feel that their role on the team is important minutes are different roles are different status has to be the same what was the most what was the thing that he that was the most impactful that any of them told

You uh I I would I would go back to uh I would go back to Connor heluk that all the great a that they were given up in front of him you know he he he had a heavy workload not just in terms of games and minutes but the shot Val

Volume and the quality of the shot so we started looking with that but what I had done before even speaking of them was watch a couple of their games and and look at their analytics and say and that just jumped right out okay we got to cut

Down on these slot chances against we got to cut down these Rush chances against yes this team can score but you’re not going to win if you’re not going to win the playoffs going 54 65 it’s not so you’ve got to tighten it up

And uh so but it was it was more a hell right off the bat that said you know I’m giving we’re giving up a lot of chances right in front of me and the rebounds and chances off the rush we’d like to clear that up so what he said and what I

Saw in the video kind of kind of matched up with each other um talking to uh Josh morsy the D not weren’t involved in the rush enough they weren’t getting they weren’t involved enough so you again you watch the video okay they they played it look they had great success so I’m not

Knocking it it was just it’s different ways to play the game uh so okay we’re going to get you more involved because I remember coaching against MO and saying wow this kid’s an elite skater he’s an elite Puck we got to watch him when he’s

On the ice and I wanted to turn him loose and so and that that means you got to get let all the D go you can’t say well Mo’s going you’re not so now you got to get all the D to buy into that but it started on that part of the game

Started with Josh Mory so hak himself um when did you know that he was staying uh when he signed the contract you no but you you had to have a point where you realized cuz no it like shle like I can only speak for myself shle

Was out of the blue but there was a sense later in the summer that hell’s mind had changed and that he was going to stay I I think he loved the trade we made with LA he he okay we have depth now talking to Connor at the end of the

Year it was I want to win the Stanley Cup it wasn’t he never we had a good conversation it was never I want to get this eight years I want to get this amount of money that never ever came up all he kept repeating I want to win the

Stanley Cup I don’t care about the V I don’t care both the money I want to win a Stanley Cup so I think when Chevy made that trade with LA and he saw the good pieces that we were bringing in he said okay this team’s committed to winning

And I think that changed his mind up as well valard one of the pieces coming back uh thoughts of him before he became a jet and thoughts of him as a jet now didn’t know him all that well honestly he was hurt a lot for a couple years and

I think there was a couple games we played them he didn’t play so I really didn’t know a lot about him uh I I you hear good things about him right so you got to see it on the ice and training camp and okay um he’d been hurt so he

Took a little while to get him going to training camp then we said wow this guy is unreal Around the Net he does some great things on the boards then he gets hurt so we we still think there’s more from Gabe we got to try to keep him

Healthy the one disappointing part of our season for for us and our power play is that we’ve never had the opportunity to run 10 games with Mark Kyle Connor and and Gabe on the same power plate one of them has been hurt all year and

That’s really CU we saw it here in the preseason we saw it earlier wow there’s some chemistry there in the power play and then Kyle went down and then Gabe went down so we we were anxious to get those three back healthy get them playing together as line and see what

They can do on the power play because clearly our power play needs a lot of work but In fairness we’ve never had those three guys for a long period of time on the power play so we’re anxious to see what that looks like cuz Gabe to answer your question again very good in

The power play very good Around the Net he’s got great hands for a big man and he hangs on to pucks and he make plays and he takes Puck to the net so we really missed his presence he showed us what he can do when he’s healthy and now

The challenge is to keep him healthy and also to keep Mark and Casey healthy and give them a chance to run and get the chemistry because they still haven’t played enough get over the years and here we are this far into the season they still have them played a lot of time together

As a threesome go ahead bud um you’re both pointing each other I was going to jump in and then so you’re not going to have this kind of success if there are selfish plays and selfish hockey players I mean you’ve made that uh clear with all of your

Stops um the old saying you know the offside is the most selfish play in the NHL I think Slow line changes are also a pretty selfish thing too what on turnovers hanging out oh we can keep that’s what I ask going what do you cons like is it the offside what do you

Consider the laziest most selfish thing a player can do long shifts just staying out there hoping for one more chance to go for rush because that’s when the bad line changes that’s when the bad you’re spending too much time in your dzone that’s when the turnover started when

Players start taking extra long shifts to go I’m going to we may have a chance of square that leads to so many problems it also disrupts the line flow of in the chemistry of your next lines because somebody might be out there for a minute and then the next two guys are sitting

There waiting to go and now their line M’s out there he’s coming off now going up with someone new so for me I always put a lot of focus on those the line shifts and and making sure that they’re not extended cuz even last night in

Boston we had two shifts in our Zone that were probably a minute and a half and it was we we just didn’t get the pucko so now we’re spending time in our Zone but we had two different guys from two different lines out there well it screws up the rotation and someone’s

Missing ice time well there they’re out there that long so for me I always kind of focus on the length of the shifts and if I see a guy kind to go oh I’m a little tired but we might get a chance here I’m going that stuff drives me nuts

I’m going to follow up with a question that I know is going to drive Elliot crazy but I’m I’m so fascinated with the minutia of this and Scotty Bowman used to do this with the hals I don’t know if you do it with Winnipeg or you’ve done

It with any of your other stops do you practice line changes yes we warm up line changes so it’s a it’s a we try to warm up every practice with there something that’s actually happening the game so we make a game out of it and you’re not allowed to change until the

Puck is in deep and then you walk through through how you want to change but yeah we we’ll have a we’ll have a warm-up game a a pregame practice or a pre-practice warm-up just on just online changes so yeah we do that’s actually love that’s not as

Bad as some of the other questions you’ve asked over the years I say that much um I I wanted to ask a little bit more kind of about that kind of a thing and what I was going to ask you was I name why you name a player you played with

And a player you coached who was the worst either for the long shifts or the bad line changes that’s a tough question now I haven’t played in a long time now you’re I know you have the mind of a coach there’s someone you know you’re like

This guy but some players hang on I know some players were allowed to have the two-minute shft like Phil asito could keep up for play for three minutes he was scoring 76 goals but you had to have guys like that no well it’s it the game

Has changed so much now yeah it’s so much faster yeah that the guys who do stay out there a little bit long it really it clearly shows I’m not going to name names I don’t I’m not going to get into that but what does it what does the name rhyme

With I’d have to think honestly I’d have to think I I’m harping on the there had to be someone in Tampa or Dallas that was like a or or all those years you coached because you’ve coached a long time who had to be the worst line changer you ever dealt with there’s been

A couple we’re not going to call them out here what team are we talking here so I can go through right hand shot left hand shot no but what the other issue on that is they’re their teammates see it right uh their and that’s we get frustrated their teammates get frustrated with them

As well and we did have an incident last year on our on our bench between periods or not on the bench but on our team in between periods that somebody went after someone else about the longship cuz he’s missing minutes and he’s missing time with his linemates so that was addressed

With the players because after I had addressed it on the bench it was also followed up in the lock room which is good because now your players are taking ownership of what how you want to play you know actually I’m curious about that when because players like we get mad at

Each other like broadcasters get mad at each other over air time is his questions are more intelligent than yours oh he doesn’t know when to wrap up a question everything is when when when do you get involved like when when when players are having a disagreement about something

When do Coes get involved we would uh let it settle down and then pull them both aside and talk to them which I did after the game this is why what happen first of all I responded and then the player that was sitting on the bench waiting to get out there responded and

Then uh you got to let the emotions calm down a little bit and then I dealt with it right after the game because you don’t let those things dwell and I brought them both not sit together but one onone I said this is what happened I’ll take care of it this is what

Happened we’ll fix this so yeah yeah they if cuz I addressed it first on the bench and the player followed up on it and then so I just had to clean it up uh let me ask on on a similar vein then who was the best player at controlling the

Room or being able to make other players accountable from all your stops Ray Ray bour he was Unreal he really was uh in Boston uh and I only had him for the one year but it was Unreal how he could he would take over the control of the game

And he didn’t say too much on the benching but in the locker room he had his he’d walk in and there was a presence of B rain he would just settled things right down and got everything straightened out uh in Vancouver like we had Kevin and we had cess and we had the

Twins like we had great leadership in there and they they would settle things down um yeah if they weren fighting with each other oh yeah once you separate them they were great uh yeah but I’ve been fortunate with that part of the game that you know Stam Co and Victor

And cooch and those guys they the thing they all have in common they’re great competitors and they want to win and if they the say things that are going on that is affecting their team’s ability to win they’re not afraid to speak up and in whatever tone they wanted the

Twins never got excited they just they would just settle things down like there were many times where teams would take a run at the Twins and try to physically intimidate them and they’d came in don’t worry about it we’ll deal with it it was Unreal on the bench don’t worry about it

We’ll deal with it and they did and they just kept playing you couldn’t intimidate them uh other guys would come in and be a little more vocal like different guys be a little more vocal to get things going um but yeah Ray Ray was Ray was exceptional was there ever I I’m

Curious without naming the player obviously but was there ever a time you had to discipline a player privately very seriously and how often does that something like that happen oh that happens yeah oh yeah where the weather well there was the shift length undisciplined penalties uh practice

Habits so oh yeah you’ve got to you’ve got to challenge them but it all starts with your ability to build that trust that we were talking about earlier you got to build that first so that when you go into a address those issues the player still knows you have his best

Interest at heart and the team’s best interest at heart so uh it goes back to building the trust with the communication open communication with all your players so that when you do sit in those situations and you have to address them you can’t let them grow like little problems can can become big

Problems in a hurry if you don’t address it right away so I think it goes back to that but you see something you got to adress it right away you don’t like it and again you’re having conversations with these guys even though they they trust you and everything they don’t like

To hear some of the things you’re telling them but you can’t be afraid of those conversations either and you got to look them in the eye you can’t be you know looking up in the ceiling look at the floor you got to look him in the eye

This is what I don’t like this is what we got to work together to clean up and and you move on well you’re really not going to like this question but you have kids now that could be your grandchildren yeah I know so I’m wondering I know I know wasn’t it

Doesn’t seem that long ago and I said to Judy Judy you know we’re old enough to be these guys’ parents now the other words say you know we’re old enough to be their grandparents now so so yeah I get it where are we going with this well

So the thing is like you’ve got Peretti who’s a really talented guy and you know his minutes were down early in the year and I like as a viewer I see what you’re doing I I see what you’re doing I I understand but like this generation they’re different and so has it been

Harder can you be more blunt with a shle who’s a little bit older or a Wheeler who was a lot older uh as opposed to a Peretti do you have to deliver your message differently yes you’re right on with that absolutely and I talked to

Cole a lot um yeah so we’ve got a good rapport and when he doesn’t play enough I’m the first guy to grab and call I’m trying to get you more ice time but this is what happened there was penalties and uh you know you lose your shifts here

Because your linemates are killing you got to understand why there’s minutes or down it’s got nothing to do with your play and sometimes that happens right he’s he’s losing nice time because we’ll send out the first Power Play early in the year he was on the second unit and

And that’s out there for a minute and a half and he only gets 30 seconds so when his minutes aren’t where where I need think they should be I I’m the first one to go up and and explain to him and he he’s great with it he he understands uh

Defensively right and the battles and right he’s got he’s got a understand how to manage the game a little bit better up here so these are all growing pains that you go through with but I make sure because it is cold and and and those aren’t harsh convers those are like you

And I are talking right now here’s what’s going on and he’s a very intelligent kid and he cares uh so but yeah they’re little they’re they’re a little more sensitive today than some of the older guys there’s no question but you’ve got to be aware of that when

You’re dealing with them but that still doesn’t there’s times where you got to let the passion you got to let the emotion take over and that’s where I’m not very good well you know what one coach said to me one coach he got mad at

Me once and uh like he was swearing up and down on me on a phone call and then when we all started out he called me like a few months later and he said you know like I was worried you were going to make a big deal about the fact that I

Was swearing at you and calling you names I said you know that stuff doesn’t really bother me and he said that’s good because you can’t really do that in a workplace environment anymore so like I wonder about like the way you could talk to even Hedman 10 15 years ago and the

Way you talk to say Peretti now you’ve got to be so much more careful about how you talk yeah yeah it all depends on the individual yeah you so it’s why you got to you got to get to know them can he handle it me being hard on them right

Cuz I was really hard on Robo and and rupe in Dallas their first year I was hard on them but they could take it right and and uh um so and eventually I said okay I’ve been hard on you hard on and let you play now so uh we haven’t I

Haven’t had that issue in Winnipeg yet so but uh you got to know the personal you got to know you how far you can push them until you okay they’re just they’ve had enough so now now we got to back off a little bit and just ease off a little

Bit and show them that you still trust them even though you’re hard on them let me pick up on the propety conversation so how then knowing that minutes are at a premium on this team it’s a high-end team up around the top of the NHL how do

You get this young player to the next level knowing that minutes are going to be hard for him well you got to understand our team as well cuz when we were really rolling good we had chyen KC there’s your left Winger he’s got to play 18 20 minutes and Lowry NE Meer and

Neita Ryder and apple they were a dominant line they got to get their minutes too uh and you got to give your fourth Lin a minute so they’re in the game they’re feeling part of it so there’s only so many minutes that you can give out and if you’re going to give

Him more minute you’re taking minutes away from the top guys and who are a little bit ahead of them right now because of their experience and their roles on the team because we ran Adams line against all the top lines you got to get shle line out there a lot so

There’s only so many minutes and sometimes he he gets caught in that Cole does and but he understands that now he’s starting to understand that and you know late in the game will sometimes will put Morgan Baron out on the left wing and it’s he’s got to understand

That Morgan has to feel part of this team as well you get your power play time and you’re getting with the top players you got to make the other guys feel part of what they were doing and the sex were success were having so he’s starting to understand all of that he’s

A really good kid he’s a really good teammate he’s starting to understand what takes to be a good teammate and sometimes you let the other guys go and and you let them feel their importance but again you start taking mles minutes away from Kyle Connor who’s having a was

Having a great year and the and the Adam line was dominant for for months you can’t start taking minutes away from them because they’re playing so well and we’re winning if we weren’t winning there’s a whole other discussion but when you’re winning and those guys are

Making the difference in a lot of games sometimes you just got to live with the fact you’re not maybe you’re missing a couple of minutes not you’re you’re missing 10 you’re missing a couple shifts here and there uh I’m going to ask you to answer this not with your

Head but with your heart let’s see if we can do this when I say Minnesota Wild what do you think I think yeah I know yeah that’s a dent one no not your head but your heart come on yeah okay so you know when I saw that develop my first thought is we’re

Going into the playoffs and we do not want to lose Adam Lowry so there was 20 seconds ago whatever left in the game and now Adams fighting Ryan Reeves like so I’m not even we’re not going to talk about the significance of Reeves on their team all I know as we’re going

Into the playoffs now and that was because that was the game that clinched it for us and Adam gets into new fight and breaks his hand or gets hurt now we’re going in players with old Adam Lowry so what upset me most about that

Is all of that that I we can’t afford to lose Adam Lowry I’m mad because there’s a chance that we could lose Adam lry and Adam and I talked about that after the game right away like you know you get in those situations sometimes you get but

You got to pull back but that’s not Adam right that’s not his personality somebody challenges him he’s going to he’s going to respond so it was I was more upset of the the fear of losing Adam going into the playoffs understanding how important he was to our team penalty killing physicality his

Presence in the room presence on the ice so yeah I got a little upset at that so that that’s kind of carried over into this season with you know Hartman and Peretti and we spent a lot of time all of us uh talking about that and this

Like if people didn’t know that Winnipeg and Minnesota have a pretty heated rivalry they do now um so when you think about Minnesota now and you know there’s a there’s another game that’s on the horizon here between these two teams um if you want to speak from your heart and

Sell some hockey tickets go for it uh but what do you think of Minnesota now I mean listen they players players take care of things on the ice coaches don’t they they take care of things on the ice and and you got to stay out of their way

Do I wish that whole prophetic thing had a stayed out of the media yeah I do but the players will take care of those things on the ice and and we we’re a family when a pagan and we’re going to stick up for each other all the time but

Some there’s things happen out there that players are trying to stick up for their teammates on the other side as well that’s part of pro hockey man you got to live with it do I do we like to keep those things away from you guys absolutely we do but we didn’t and

That’s fine we’ll deal with it we know talk Cole I talked well just keep it out of the media the players will take care of that stuff on the ice and there’s things that happen out there and again uh coaches have to stay out of those

Things Co let the players deal with it that’s that’s their thing and that’s what we do who do your players hate more Minnesota Toronto or is there a third option I would say Minnesota the most we don’t play Toronto enough so you know we only play them twice a year I know but

Some of those games have gotten really they’ve gotten real rough yeah because you know again we understand the publicity of the leafes get we get it we’re in a smaller Market we get it but we want to be heard of uh we’re a good team we are are we’re a good team and

We’ve been a good team for a long time so there there’s there’s some there’s some pride in there that we want to be know recognize as well I I did you mentioned you talked a little bit about the dub trade last year about how that changed for hellu just like you there’s

A couple things you’ve said in the last few months that have really stuck out with me obviously one was the end of the Playoff Series last year but when when shley signed this year you talked about how everybody in this room wants to be here and I just want to like last summer

From that comment at the end of Vegas to where you got on the season with hello buck and shley signing what happened behind the scenes to make this a happier place well okay that’s fair um but duie made it no very clear that he wasn’t

Going to sign a long term y so you you start talking about that a lot the players know he doesn’t you know he wants out of here at some point so um and when that’s dealt with the way Chevy dealt with and and we’re bringing in good

Pieces um it’s again it goes back to Connor like there okay we’re committed to winning here everyone that’s here wants to be here uh so to me and then that’s just again it’s all about the Buy in right you can’t you can’t have one or

Two guys I want to get traded I want to be out of here and say okay we’re all in so when there’s one or two guys room that don’t want to be there you’ve you’ve again like duie made it I’m not criticizing do he didn’t want to be

Either didn’t want to be that’s his call he’s he’s an athlete he’s got to take care of his career so Pierre got what he wanted uh and we got what we wanted we got some good pieces and we got guys that want to be in Winnipeg so pure Luke

Good for him got exactly what he wanted he got a big contract went to a big market and that’s where he wanted to go good for him short career we got what we wanted we got guys who want to be in Winnipeg and are very proud to be a win

A big jet and the player again it goes back to that locker room players feel that and and and and the camaraderie becomes a lot tighter when they all know we’re all in they all want to be here uh the camaraderie and their chemistry in the room becomes a lot tighter well just

Shely like how much do you think it took a load off his shoulders when all that got sorted uh I think a lot you know listen Mark one thing about Mark that people don’t see is how hard he works away from the games this man is 100% committed to his profession he does

Everything he can to prepare he’s on the ice early working with skills he’s working out all his time the diet he looks after himself better than anyone I’ve ever been around he is totally totally committed to his career his profession and that rubs off on the

Players uh this guy works very very hard every day and so the things that you’re seeing a you a more complete player for Mark this year there’s no question but what you’re not seeing is all those other things that he’s doing behind the scenes that really earn the respect of

The coaches earn the respect of his teammates how hard he works and how committed he is to his profession who on your team do you think could be a coach you guys to throw these tough questions at me uh Dylan Dell very smart guy Brendan Dylan very smart guy Neil Pon yeah they

See the game they understand the game and they love the game I could see them getting into coaching for sure mhm um do you find now like the secret start about the wiip peg Jetson has been out for a while do you find that you’re consistently we started this

Conversation off by talking about Monday’s game against the Boston Bruins do you find that you’re getting every team’s a game now absolutely without a doubt we’ve been into Ottawa uh on Saturday and it was at 3:00 hockey Day in Canada uh and I spoken to the coaches

After and they said that’s the best game they played all year and that’s both both coaching staffs coming and the players like they were so dialed in on us and so committed to keeping playing solid defense their structure was really good their commitment to details was really good good so just talking to

Their coaching staff so we went in going okay this team is a little loose here a little loose there we’re telling our players but they weren’t right so they so there’s an example of okay they got blown out on a Tuesday by Colorado they beat Montreal but Montreal had played

The night before on a Thursday now we’re coming in on a Friday on a Saturday afternoon at 3:00 they were dialed in and you could tell from right off the B right off the gate face offs details uh they they knew when to back off they were very aggressive In Their Own Zone

And yeah so the so now we got to go in and say okay guys we got a whole different animal here than what we we thought we were going to get they’re really disciplined they’re coming out they’re work making us work they’re working really hard so we got to make

Some adjustments here but and just the coach has clarified it for us after the game that’s by far and that was their players telling them that’s the best game we put together all year so yeah we get everyone’s a game when you’re coming in where we it’s like Vancouver and

Boston you’re playing the top teams you better be ready or you’ll get embarrassed um I just wanted to ask about Judy bonis how’s she doing she’s doing much better thanks and she hates the attention as I told her but no thank you for asking she did have a shoulder

Surgery last week and she’s recovering from that uh but she is doing much better thank you very much for asking yeah I don’t want to Pride but the thing the only thing I wanted to ask was at any point did you think that maybe you would have to step away from coaching

Well when when it was happening no but yeah I spent that night with her at the hospital and there’s there’s times there like if she doesn’t come out of this what are we going to do right so it it never came to I’m done it it didn’t

Certainly get to that point but you know I’m sitting there and she’s resting and any else all night and uh it crossed your mind that you know she doesn’t come out of this if she’s not coming around I’m not going back it never got to that point but the thoughts well that could

Possibly happen at some point here it all depends on her I have two last ones number one you have a wonderful family aside from yourself and Judy but your kids and your grandkids Ryan looks like he’s got a very bright future in this game what Ryan he’s smarter than his

Father because he’s in management well I I’ll tell you about Ryan so when when they were little kids and I always brought them to the rink my my oldest son Ricky was very he’s the he’s the brains of the family so Ricky would go on the computer and Ryan would be in

With the trainers doing the laundry and washing the towels and hanging up equipment and he come in and say Dad why did so and so change his loves like I I would have no idea but he noticed all those things and he always hung up with

The trainers he loved being in the room he loved the fact that they actually gave him a piece of pizza for lunch help he was eight but so Ryan’s always had what I the passion for the game loves being around the game so he he played

Junior uh in Brampton then he went to St Mary’s but the whole thing with Ryan was that when he was U being drafted into the OHL I kept telling teams no no cuz I don’t have a college degree and I’m my kids are getting a college degree and uh

And so University of M we going to offer him a full ride said Ryan I don’t have a degree you’re getting one he said but Dad I’m a junior hockey player I’m not a college hockey player and he was right about that so Stan Butler with Bramton

At the time drafted him and but I made a very clear with Stan okay Stan if you draft him he has to keep his marks up in school and the day that marks drop and he’s faing a gr you’re going to bench him you’re not going to play him until

Those marks go back up so you want to draft him these are my rules and Ryan’s going to buy into this so that was so we let him go to Bramton he kept his marks up and he did get a college degree at St Mary’s in finance played the year in the

East coast league and realized okay get my brains knocked out for 500 bucks a week now guess let’s move on here so but he’s always had a tremendous passion for the game I use him like Ryan do you know this player like he knows players around

The league better than I do now because they’re scouting with Winnipeg and with Pittsburgh so I’m very very proud of them I’m very very happy for him he’s worked hard and he’s going to get rewarded but the the best thing we V Ryan and all our kids we said do

Whatever you when you wake up I want you to love what you’re doing going to see that day going to do that day Ryan loves hockey as much as I do and I’m very proud of him did the jacket make the trip no jacket haven’t seen that for a while has been

Retired has been retired uh let me finish up with a a theoretical question here I’m I’m curious about this I I ask every coach that I can this now um in the pwhl they have a new rule it’s called the jailbreak and what happens is if you’re killing a penalty and you score

Short-handed the penalty is over the player comes out of the box would that affect the way you coach your special teams either way whether you’re on the power play or you’re short-handed knowing that if you score short-handed or you’re scored against short-handed the player’s coming out of

The the box would that affect how you coach no I don’t I don’t think so I probably because I’ve coached for long doing it one way it would be that would be that would be a tough adjustment um no I don’t I don’t think so I think you’re your main objective when you’re

Out there killing the penalty is to kill the penalty uh you’re not you’re not trying to score um uh and and players make a lot of money killing penalties they do winning faceoffs killing penalties that’s what they’re paid to do um so their main job is to go out there

And kill that penalty now to go go out there and score you I think you’d be you looking at different Personnel uh you’d be looking yeah you you You’ have to CH you would have to change the whole way you do it but maybe it’s because the

Sport so ingrained in the way I’ve coached for so long but I still believe uh I like the way it is right now I I do so uh you get you get players who are exceptional at killing penalties and they’re blocking shots and they’re winning faceoffs and they’re making big

Money from from for doing that and good for them they’ve earned it one more coaching question do you like the way three on three is played right now I know there’s been a lot of discussion about that um yes well I do I mean you you you’re trying to hang out of the

Puck you’re trying to tire the team out and you’re trying to score and you’d like to see us do more attacking because that’s when it opens up when you go down on a 2on one you don’t score they’re coming you automatically come back on a

Two-on one now you got a back so it’s that first team that takes the initiative make that two-on-one try to get the odd man but you know teams have figured out you got to get up ice with them and you got to stay with them and I know there’s overtimes that there very

Little happens we had a great overtime in Ottawa so that’s our my last example of it they had a chance we had chances it was an exciting overtime for the fans which is and the players enjoy that you liked it because you won well I liked it

CU we won but yeah but it it was exciting for the fans cuz the fans would get so much into it but that was an exciting overtime and I’ve watched some other since discussion comes up and I’m watching overtimes at night now I get what they’re understanding well nothing’s happening somebody’s

Eventually has to take a Gamble and open it up and then it goes end to end this has been great thanks so much for parking time with us always appreciated Rick I a pleasure talking to you guys thank you so much thank You okay that’s Rick bonus head coach of the Winnipeg Jets and although you’re getting this podcast on Friday Thursday was his birthday happy belated Rick bonis uh big weekend once again as always for Hockey Night in Canada a number of intriguing games New York Rangers face off against the Ottawa

Senators uh the maple Lees face off once again against Rick bonus’s Winnipeg Jets this time in Manitoba it’s the Habs and the pens the Hawks and the Flames the Columbus Blue Jackets against the team that has the best helmets whether it’s blue chrome with whether it’s Matt Black

The Vancouver Canucks on behalf of Dom shat leer freedan Merck signing off we will join you again on Monday for the next edition of 32 thoughts the podcast have a great Weekend

Jeff and Elliotte open with the latest developments in the 2018 sexual assault investigation in London, Ontario involving Hockey Canada players. They transition into a discussion around Patrick Roy’s emotional return to the Bell Centre in Montreal and then talk about Ryan Smith’s application for NHL expansion to Salt Lake City, Utah.
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0:00 – The latest developments in the 2018 sexual assault investigation in London, Ontario involving Hockey Canada players.
11:52 – A discussion around Patrick Roy’s emotional return to the Bell Centre in Montreal.
22:50 – Unpacking what has plagued the LA Kings the season, and how this promising roster can turn their season around.
36:17 – Elliotte discusses the potential for Erik Johnson to be moved from Buffalo.
38:03 – The guys also lay out their main takeaways from the Steve Staios presser in Ottawa.
59:47 – Talking about Ryan Smith’s application for NHL expansion to Salt Lake City, Utah.
1:06:42 – The guys answer your questions in the Montana’s Thought Line
1:15:49 – Sitting down with Winnipeg Jets Head Coach Rick Bowness.

Audio Credits: MSGSN & the LA Kings

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This podcast was produced and mixed by Dominic Sramaty and hosted by Jeff Marek and Elliotte Friedman.

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