15:44 Totally agree guys. The trend that I see is when these older guys stop training, they tend to get very critical. It's never the guys who are still involved and living and breathing the sport who get critical. So what does that tell us? I think there's a bit of guilt associated with their comments. These guys have their pride but they perhaps don't deal well with getting old, so what do they have? Their memories and the need to constantly tell everyone how intense they were and how the modern guys lack drive.
Shawn you and I, I think, are quite supportive of the younger generation as a whole and the sport moving forward, but we were never world champions. Can you imagine going from the very upper echelons of the sport, to coming off and all of a sudden becoming human and knowing full well you'll never see those heights again. What I believe they're actually angry about, is just simply growing old.
They want to destroy strong rational free thinking men, thats why all we do, i.e lift, get strong, eat meat, raise familes, ignore woke nonsense gets us labelled as right wing nutcases even though he have no intrest in politics as such! Great chat btw gents!
Very stimulating, polemical, controversial and enjoyable. Glad to hear the praise for HIT which in my opinion is at least an attempt to solve the conundrum which poses the right questions. Glad you are not being bullied into Jamie Lewis' opinions which are aparently true because he says so. He has his qualities, but often he just shits over what he doesn't happen to like at that moment, its always black and white, absolutist with him. Still enjoy listening to him, maybe proving my point, reality is contradictory, shades of grey. Long may you continue to provide decent content!
Sadly I never seem to catch the live episode, but one thing I would like to bring up for Jamie or anyone is his take on Doggcrapp /DC training. In part because Shaun has mentioned taking on Dorian style. I tend to think that this high intensity approach is optimal in one sense, fastest, most direct way to get the job done. But it is brutal, and is going to alienate the masses who do not want to go to the extreme end. Start talking about squats and deadlifts for high reps and the crowd disappears, taking their money with them. To me it seems that this endeavour is becoming ever more drug fuelled, perhaps in part because I live in the UK where roids are legal and widespread. But even so, this is not necessarily leading to massive muscularity. Of the millions on steroids, how many are training hard on the big lifts? I do not know, but I suspect that many are hopping on gear to avoid the hard work. On gear, everything works. Watch Netflix and grow to a certain extent at least, depending on response. I think this aspect, gear and genetics, including response to gear, is all part and parcel of the science vs art debate. Increasingly ( so it seems to me) the results are coming out of a lab. And when one considers professional bodybuilding, the evolution from say Reg Park to Nick Walker, this is evident. Admittedly I know little about the gear in its various aspects, I have not pursued that path, but I tend to think that minus that factor, then the subjective element of programming or simply going by feel is largely eliminated and the vast majority not blessed with any special genetic advantage have to work within a much narrower set of parameters/ principles to get anywhere beyond mediocre.
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Excellent discussion – thank you.
15:44 Totally agree guys. The trend that I see is when these older guys stop training, they tend to get very critical. It's never the guys who are still involved and living and breathing the sport who get critical. So what does that tell us? I think there's a bit of guilt associated with their comments. These guys have their pride but they perhaps don't deal well with getting old, so what do they have? Their memories and the need to constantly tell everyone how intense they were and how the modern guys lack drive.
Shawn you and I, I think, are quite supportive of the younger generation as a whole and the sport moving forward, but we were never world champions. Can you imagine going from the very upper echelons of the sport, to coming off and all of a sudden becoming human and knowing full well you'll never see those heights again. What I believe they're actually angry about, is just simply growing old.
They want to destroy strong rational free thinking men, thats why all we do, i.e lift, get strong, eat meat, raise familes, ignore woke nonsense gets us labelled as right wing nutcases even though he have no intrest in politics as such! Great chat btw gents!
Thanks for having me on your very cool Channel again, Shawn!
Looking forward to our next chat!
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Very stimulating, polemical, controversial and enjoyable. Glad to hear the praise for HIT which in my opinion is at least an attempt to solve the conundrum which poses the right questions. Glad you are not being bullied into Jamie Lewis' opinions which are aparently true because he says so. He has his qualities, but often he just shits over what he doesn't happen to like at that moment, its always black and white, absolutist with him. Still enjoy listening to him, maybe proving my point, reality is contradictory, shades of grey. Long may you continue to provide decent content!
Excellent discussion guys
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Hang in there Shawn ,
Your hard work is appreciated.. 👊
Sadly I never seem to catch the live episode, but one thing I would like to bring up for Jamie or anyone is his take on Doggcrapp /DC training. In part because Shaun has mentioned taking on Dorian style.
I tend to think that this high intensity approach is optimal in one sense, fastest, most direct way to get the job done. But it is brutal, and is going to alienate the masses who do not want to go to the extreme end. Start talking about squats and deadlifts for high reps and the crowd disappears, taking their money with them.
To me it seems that this endeavour is becoming ever more drug fuelled, perhaps in part because I live in the UK where roids are legal and widespread. But even so, this is not necessarily leading to massive muscularity. Of the millions on steroids, how many are training hard on the big lifts? I do not know, but I suspect that many are hopping on gear to avoid the hard work. On gear, everything works. Watch Netflix and grow to a certain extent at least, depending on response.
I think this aspect, gear and genetics, including response to gear, is all part and parcel of the science vs art debate. Increasingly ( so it seems to me) the results are coming out of a lab. And when one considers professional bodybuilding, the evolution from say Reg Park to Nick Walker, this is evident. Admittedly I know little about the gear in its various aspects, I have not pursued that path, but I tend to think that minus that factor, then the subjective element of programming or simply going by feel is largely eliminated and the vast majority not blessed with any special genetic advantage have to work within a much narrower set of parameters/ principles to get anywhere beyond mediocre.