[JFresh] Moritz Seider, signed 7x$8.6M by DET, is a young defenceman who the Red Wings gave pretty brutal deployment to last season. Even accounting for that, his numbers aren’t very inspiring, but the team clearly sees him as the defensive cornerstone of their blueline moving forward.
by daKrut
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I generally agree with JFresh’s take on things and it’s interesting to see/hear what others think from outside the bubble we Wings fans can live in. I think Mo will grow into the contract, especially when he gets a better D partner.
I don’t think playing in Lalonde’s system is conducive to his playstyle, but I’m just some scrub so what do I know
I will say this: Mo looks completely different from his Rogle days and rookie year. A completely different player. There was a time when he was the best player in the world that wasn’t in the NHL. I hope to god he returns to form this year.
I think if our team defense improves as a whole he won’t have to relied on to do everything that he tries to do on the backend.
I’m always amused when people acknowledge his brutal deployment (and the fact that he hasn’t had a worthy partner in his entire career) and just brush them aside, as if that massive huge piece of context is meaningless.
“Sure sure sure, he’s had *historically brutal* deployment and his partners were a borderline NHLer and a mistake-prone borderline second/third pairing guy, BUT…”
I don’t think you can account for just a d partner.
1. Our defense corp sucked. I liked Walman but we basically gave him away, and our only other real piece was maata.
2. He played with some meh forwards. Kane isn’t great on d and we know others weren’t. It’s why we like Nate coming up.
I don’t think we have makar or q. Hughes but he is a 1/2 who we can give minutes to and will excel when he has some players around him.
His stats drop this year and im wrong and I’ll worry
People are so fuckin clueless. The guy who posted it and the dishwasher from surrey dude are the biggest wings haters outside of the Ottawa fans base. They’re both so vocal on that subreddit and so obnoxious I can’t stand them and don’t know where their hate comes from but good for them ig
I’m convinced these dumb cunts ar just doubling and tripling down their stupid bullshit out of spite at this point.
I really do not get this chart. 19% offense, with 42% goals, 78% assists, and 67% finishing? Just doesn’t make sense to me
Also, unless Yzerman brutally fucked the negotiations by negotiating against himself for 6 months, the league clearly thinks hes worth the contract
Cool. Anyway, I’ll take 7 years of Seider at $8.5.
Jfresh… in the words of Roy Kent… can FUUUUCK OFFFFFFF. He’s here, he’s there, he’s every-fucking-where— ROY KENT, ROY KENT.
I believe this is a time where analytics holds little to no value. His deployment is too extreme of an outlier to make these numbers accurate or useful for comparison.
JFresh also says the Penguins didn’t tank to get their two superstars and got his platform using stolen data. He’s a hack and I’ll never understand why so much of the hockey world respects him when there’s way better hockey analytics content creators out there.
Ok well imagine Seider with a competent D partner. Just wait till they see the Seider-Edvinsson line
Jfresh has some takes. Some good, some bad. This is the latter
Eye test people, use your damn eyes
It’s not just Seider’s partner. Our offense was hilariously bad at keeping pressure in the offensive zone. Felt like we were playing D 2/3 of each game, which is going to tank everyone’s stats
If Detroit didn’t pay him this someone else absolutely garaun-ball bearing-teed would have.
Stevie Y, doing Stevie Y business. 🙌🙌
But this sub told me Chiarot was a perfectly fine pairing mate
Yeah some of the numbers are ugly but that’s more the terrible roster construction of the blue line than Mo. Sometimes it’s more nuanced than just the stats.
We’ll just see when Ed and AlJo come up this year and we actually have half a decent d-core. Hope to make Jfresh eat his words
Jfresh posting clickbait?!?! Say it ain’t so!
Bruh 💀
I just unsubbed from this bum on Patreon. Won’t be talking about Mo like that and getting my money
Oh ya!!
Coaching change fucked him
I watched every Red wings game and I can say that mo made a few turnovers for sure but the team absolutely sucked ass after Larkin went down. Goaltending sucked too. There’s zero chance you Will convince me mo is not bread and butter of this team.
Last year Mo became the 6th player in NHL history with over 200 hits and 200 shots in the same season. 2nd only to Parayko in blocked shots. After the coach asked the team for better defense overall.. and a not so good partner in Walman.
Funny how they fail to mention those stats! Mo has been amazing/our best D by far! This JFresh guy has lost credibility in my eyes.
Tell me you did not watch Wings games last year without saying you did did not watch Wings games!
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Don’t come over here with that shit, JFresh.
JFresh is a talentless dumbfuck who doesn’t even crunch his own numbers.
There’s no way you can reliably account for quality of defensive partner with analytics and have it tell you what you want. Hockey is a game of synergy. All these numbers tell you is who is on a good team or a bad team.
I canceled all of my WAR based analytics subscriptions after 22-23 because I realized that. Just use the eye test to build a good team with good scouting, and eventually the analytics kind of just work themselves out.
Analytics are a good tool if used properly, but JFresh and Bacon don’t know how to do that.
This guy is a literal clown. He has no sense for the game. He said once that defenseman should never shoot the puck because statistically it doesn’t make sense. You know what really doesn’t make sense this idiots takes. It’s what you get when you only look at advanced stats and have no eye for the game. When the game is on the line Mos blocking 2 shots in a row, or putting a guy through the boards, or shutting down the best of the best. Mcdavid got loose late in the last game they played but Mo has shut mcdavid down better than any defenseman in the last 3 years consistently, and he’s one of the best players that’s ever laced them up. Mo is him and anyone that knows the game knows that. It’s not if he’ll win a Norris, it’s how many. PERIOD
Boys, they’re taking discounts. They WANT the cup, and they believe in the team.