If the hypothetical reality of Lindholm to Columbus for 3rd overall actually happened, that would be a tough one to turn down
zzKURUPTzz
Yes, sell off for younger players
onefivefifteen
I don’t see why we wouldn’t hold on to them until closer to the deadline. Considering the construction of our roster I still think we are in win now mode. I get everyone wants to sell but I just don’t see how that makes sense given the players and contracts we have on the team.
I guess their is always the possibility to retool, but I feel like a player like Lindholm is very hard to find and irreplaceable. Trade him and we miss playoffs and we waste the assets in guys like Huby and Weegar. I feel like it makes more sense to hold for now, and reevaluate closer to the deadline.
Wooden_Proposal_1615
Sound like a great trade, Lindy for 3OA. Only problem is the trade would only go thru if Lindy signs an extension there. I know Ghonny is there but I highly doubt Lindholm signs an extension to play in Columbus.
Chemical_Signal2753
I personally think first round picks are over-valued, even in a particularly deep draft, and prospects are often under-valued.
In most years, most first round draft picks develop into useful NHL players but getting a top line forward, top pairing defense man, or starting goalie, is exceptionally rare unless you’re drafting in the top 2 or 3 positions. If you look back on the 2019 through 2021 drafts, a lot of players from the first round who are “disappointments” or players from later rounds who are developing well will be better than most first round picks in most years. Basically, players who are trending to develop into middle six forwards, second pairing defense men, or back-up goalies will generally be better than the arbitrary draft pick in the first round of most drafts. These prospects are often more available at a lower cost than that first round pick, and there is value in pursuing them.
To use a hypothetical, if the Flames made a trade with Montreal (don’t know why they would) they would probably have an easier time getting Rafael Harvey-Pinard in return than Montreal’s 2024 first round pick; but Rafael Harvey-Pinard is likely better than most first round picks from the 2024 draft will be. Even if you’re getting a moderately worse overall player, the less uncertainty on the kind of player you’re getting, and the less time you have to wait for the player to develop, is often worth the decline in overall skill level.
getthatcoffee
Fans (and Media) are often guilty of over-valuing what our own players are worth.
There’s just no shot that Zadorov fetches a 1st round pick, and if Columbus actually attempted to send the 3rd overall pick to us for Lindholm, their fans would have that GM strung upside down outside their arena.
I do agree we need to sell high on expiring contracts while we can, but the return isn’t going to be anywhere near what this article is suggesting.
Konoha13
I think Dallas is a good blue print for cgy to be successful (if they are not going to blow it up)
-Sell off aging UFA’s for picks, prospects.
-Graduate players like Pelletier and Wolf.
Hope you are able to hit a home run on one of your picks (Like a Robertson or a Hintz) outside the top of the draft, where we know the flames will never pick lol
BLARG13
This was my suggestion at the trade deadline.
Move some contracts out that had 1 year left on them, and eat some money for that one season. Could have gotten a lot back.
As for this off season, only trade them if they have no interest in extending I guess.
SmuckerNipples
I think you have to shop Toffoli and see what you can get. He had a monster season and his value is high.
If Lindholm doesn’t sign by December at the latest he has to get traded(unless we are dominating).
Tanev and Backlund would be the only two that I would be okay letting them walk. They are good leaders and bring stability to the young guys.
My general sentiment is that we trade basically anyone not named (Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato)
mentalyblind
Who knows I just keep thinking ba k to sutter if he didn’t become our coach we would still have a great team and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Like cmon Nick Ritchie WHO TF IS THAT
SomeJerkOddball
Conny has got to lay it all out for Lindy. Say here’s the plan, here’s how we intend to be competitive next year. Are you with me?
And if he’s not committal, tell him he’s got 2 weeks consider it, and that maybe means no. And if Lindy’s out, then you might as well sell.
I’d probably value prospects looking good to make it to the NHL a bit over picks unless they’re particularly high because I think that would fit with the timing of all the guys they’re about to bring up from the farm.
robbhope
They absolutely should. I’m actually shocked some fans are against it. If you could come away with a 1st +or- for a few of those FA, you do it.
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If the hypothetical reality of Lindholm to Columbus for 3rd overall actually happened, that would be a tough one to turn down
Yes, sell off for younger players
I don’t see why we wouldn’t hold on to them until closer to the deadline. Considering the construction of our roster I still think we are in win now mode. I get everyone wants to sell but I just don’t see how that makes sense given the players and contracts we have on the team.
I guess their is always the possibility to retool, but I feel like a player like Lindholm is very hard to find and irreplaceable. Trade him and we miss playoffs and we waste the assets in guys like Huby and Weegar. I feel like it makes more sense to hold for now, and reevaluate closer to the deadline.
Sound like a great trade, Lindy for 3OA. Only problem is the trade would only go thru if Lindy signs an extension there. I know Ghonny is there but I highly doubt Lindholm signs an extension to play in Columbus.
I personally think first round picks are over-valued, even in a particularly deep draft, and prospects are often under-valued.
In most years, most first round draft picks develop into useful NHL players but getting a top line forward, top pairing defense man, or starting goalie, is exceptionally rare unless you’re drafting in the top 2 or 3 positions. If you look back on the 2019 through 2021 drafts, a lot of players from the first round who are “disappointments” or players from later rounds who are developing well will be better than most first round picks in most years. Basically, players who are trending to develop into middle six forwards, second pairing defense men, or back-up goalies will generally be better than the arbitrary draft pick in the first round of most drafts. These prospects are often more available at a lower cost than that first round pick, and there is value in pursuing them.
To use a hypothetical, if the Flames made a trade with Montreal (don’t know why they would) they would probably have an easier time getting Rafael Harvey-Pinard in return than Montreal’s 2024 first round pick; but Rafael Harvey-Pinard is likely better than most first round picks from the 2024 draft will be. Even if you’re getting a moderately worse overall player, the less uncertainty on the kind of player you’re getting, and the less time you have to wait for the player to develop, is often worth the decline in overall skill level.
Fans (and Media) are often guilty of over-valuing what our own players are worth.
There’s just no shot that Zadorov fetches a 1st round pick, and if Columbus actually attempted to send the 3rd overall pick to us for Lindholm, their fans would have that GM strung upside down outside their arena.
I do agree we need to sell high on expiring contracts while we can, but the return isn’t going to be anywhere near what this article is suggesting.
I think Dallas is a good blue print for cgy to be successful (if they are not going to blow it up)
-Sell off aging UFA’s for picks, prospects.
-Graduate players like Pelletier and Wolf.
Hope you are able to hit a home run on one of your picks (Like a Robertson or a Hintz) outside the top of the draft, where we know the flames will never pick lol
This was my suggestion at the trade deadline.
Move some contracts out that had 1 year left on them, and eat some money for that one season. Could have gotten a lot back.
As for this off season, only trade them if they have no interest in extending I guess.
I think you have to shop Toffoli and see what you can get. He had a monster season and his value is high.
If Lindholm doesn’t sign by December at the latest he has to get traded(unless we are dominating).
Tanev and Backlund would be the only two that I would be okay letting them walk. They are good leaders and bring stability to the young guys.
My general sentiment is that we trade basically anyone not named (Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato)
Who knows I just keep thinking ba k to sutter if he didn’t become our coach we would still have a great team and we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Like cmon Nick Ritchie WHO TF IS THAT
Conny has got to lay it all out for Lindy. Say here’s the plan, here’s how we intend to be competitive next year. Are you with me?
And if he’s not committal, tell him he’s got 2 weeks consider it, and that maybe means no. And if Lindy’s out, then you might as well sell.
I’d probably value prospects looking good to make it to the NHL a bit over picks unless they’re particularly high because I think that would fit with the timing of all the guys they’re about to bring up from the farm.
They absolutely should. I’m actually shocked some fans are against it. If you could come away with a 1st +or- for a few of those FA, you do it.
Yess
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