Dvorak is so confusing to me. I really thought he’d really solid.
JakJoe
A little Harsh on Josh Anderson and Savard, other than that I completely agree, MB screwed us when signing all those guys before leaving.
djohnston02
Logic that applies to Savard should apply to Dvorak to some extent.
private_liberty
Anderson is good, I take him and his contract way before Armia and Hoffman.
yeeteridoo
I know advanced stats love Gallagher but he shouldn’t have escaped this list.
guy_smiley66
The metric used for judging the contract is based on wins. These guys aren’t the reason the habs lost so many games this year. The whole team was bad. It was painful to watch. Injuries didn’t help. We had an AHL line-up for the last half of the season and played like it.
The most telling stat of the season is that David Savard was our #2 defenseman after our #1, Jon Kovasevic in playing minutes. So no kidding Savard numbers sucked. He’s a bottom 4 defenseman forced into a #1 role, so of course his numbers will be disastrous. Hopefully next year the defense will be healthier.
Finally, Mike Hoffman’s overall GF% was second on the team after Kirby Dach. So the above metric is obviously missing something.
Dvorak got a 6-year contract extension with a cap hit of 4.45M after his 37-point career high season when he was 22.
In hindsight, that contract aged like milk. He never improved much since then.
Sportsguy1223
What a useless trade Dvorak was
DrLivingst0ne
“The model punishes David Savard too harshly”
Yes, because the model is invalid
frost_biten
Dvorak is so forgettable I genuinely need to be reminded he is on this hockey team sometimes. I cannot believe we traded a 1st and a 2nd for him.
ternk
I’m glad he mentions how the model doesn’t accurately capture Savard’s season/performance. Analytics is a useful tool, but you can’t take it as gospel. He logged huge ice time for us (14th highest avg time on ice for dmen in league) and the leadership he provided the younger guys when Matheson and Edmundson were injured for a lot of the season is something no model can capture. On top of that, only Alec Martinez had more shot blocks per game than Savard this season.
The model also suggests Hoffmann is a net positive. But I don’t know how any Hab fan watching his play can agree with that.
I wonder if it makes sense to move Anderson if we can. 38pt pace this year /82 games. Defensive liability and injury history. What he offers on the plus side is rare and valuable, but if other GMs want him and want to overpay, we should take it. His contract will be up before we enter our compete for a cup window. On one hand, this might suggest it’s best to trade him rather than lose him as a UFA. But on the other, if you can re-sign him at a lower more reasonable AAV, could be an interesting idea too.
Strong_Reference_762
If we can trade hoffman and buy out armia this doesn’t look so bad
JacksonHoled
Last year Suzuki was in the top of the NHL, worth nothing.
WeathervaneJesus1
This is why they shouldn’t be trading anything for Dubois. This team cannot compete with so much youth and awful contracts. They need another year at the bottom of the standings, continue to develop, collect draft picks by taking on other bad contracts and shed one more year of all the current awful contracts they have.
fumankeu
remember when people here were hyping dvo up to be a 50 point defensive dynamo based off absolutely nothing but the salt from kk leaving lmao
16 Comments
Dvorak is so confusing to me. I really thought he’d really solid.
A little Harsh on Josh Anderson and Savard, other than that I completely agree, MB screwed us when signing all those guys before leaving.
Logic that applies to Savard should apply to Dvorak to some extent.
Anderson is good, I take him and his contract way before Armia and Hoffman.
I know advanced stats love Gallagher but he shouldn’t have escaped this list.
The metric used for judging the contract is based on wins. These guys aren’t the reason the habs lost so many games this year. The whole team was bad. It was painful to watch. Injuries didn’t help. We had an AHL line-up for the last half of the season and played like it.
The most telling stat of the season is that David Savard was our #2 defenseman after our #1, Jon Kovasevic in playing minutes. So no kidding Savard numbers sucked. He’s a bottom 4 defenseman forced into a #1 role, so of course his numbers will be disastrous. Hopefully next year the defense will be healthier.
Finally, Mike Hoffman’s overall GF% was second on the team after Kirby Dach. So the above metric is obviously missing something.
[See Natural Stat Trick](https://www.naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20222023&thruseason=20222023&stype=2&sit=all&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=n&team=MTL&pos=S&loc=B&toi=500&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL)
Dvorak got a 6-year contract extension with a cap hit of 4.45M after his 37-point career high season when he was 22.
In hindsight, that contract aged like milk. He never improved much since then.
What a useless trade Dvorak was
“The model punishes David Savard too harshly”
Yes, because the model is invalid
Dvorak is so forgettable I genuinely need to be reminded he is on this hockey team sometimes. I cannot believe we traded a 1st and a 2nd for him.
I’m glad he mentions how the model doesn’t accurately capture Savard’s season/performance. Analytics is a useful tool, but you can’t take it as gospel. He logged huge ice time for us (14th highest avg time on ice for dmen in league) and the leadership he provided the younger guys when Matheson and Edmundson were injured for a lot of the season is something no model can capture. On top of that, only Alec Martinez had more shot blocks per game than Savard this season.
The model also suggests Hoffmann is a net positive. But I don’t know how any Hab fan watching his play can agree with that.
I wonder if it makes sense to move Anderson if we can. 38pt pace this year /82 games. Defensive liability and injury history. What he offers on the plus side is rare and valuable, but if other GMs want him and want to overpay, we should take it. His contract will be up before we enter our compete for a cup window. On one hand, this might suggest it’s best to trade him rather than lose him as a UFA. But on the other, if you can re-sign him at a lower more reasonable AAV, could be an interesting idea too.
If we can trade hoffman and buy out armia this doesn’t look so bad
Last year Suzuki was in the top of the NHL, worth nothing.
This is why they shouldn’t be trading anything for Dubois. This team cannot compete with so much youth and awful contracts. They need another year at the bottom of the standings, continue to develop, collect draft picks by taking on other bad contracts and shed one more year of all the current awful contracts they have.
remember when people here were hyping dvo up to be a 50 point defensive dynamo based off absolutely nothing but the salt from kk leaving lmao
Marc Bergevin Masterclass