Dr. Dave demonstrates everything you need to know about kiss-back shots, where the CB double-kisses off an OB that is frozen to or close to a cushion. He covers useful techniques, an aiming system, and game-situation examples where you can use kiss-back shots to your advantage. He also covers rules associated with kiss-back shots so you can use them without risking fouls.
Contents:
0:00 – Intro
0:19 – Basic Safeties
1:46 – Carom Shots
—- 2:29 – aiming system
—- 4:05 – fancy follow caroms
5:56 – Sidespin Shots
7:20 – Fouls
—- 10:00 – angled hits and stalemate example
11:42 – Wrap Up
—- 11:49 – shot montage
CORRECTIONS:
– at 1m58s, I said 9-ball, but I meant 8-ball.
– at 9m35s, I said the follow shot double-kissing the 8 back to the same rail is a foul in some league systems. This is incorrect. The shot is good since the CB hits the 8 and the 8 is driven to the cushion (before the double kiss occurs), so the shot is legal under any rules.
Supporting Resources:
– kiss-back shot resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/kiss-back/
– “DOUBLE-KISS SHOTS … Real Game Winners” video: https://youtu.be/c8ztEYGdga0
– “Top 10 End-Game Last-Ball Shot Options” video: https://youtu.be/HXX-0HfiJKE
– “HSV B.39 – kiss-back shot and secondary cushion contact” video: https://youtu.be/dFppNhJLQNM
– “NV B.13 – End-of-game kiss-back safety option” video: https://youtu.be/q6nwXmkd5Mo
– contact point mirror kicking system: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/contact-point-mirror/
– equal distance kicking system: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/mirror/
– pool rules resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
– pool fouls resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/
– pool league rule differences: https://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences
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Contents:
0:00 – Intro
0:19 – Basic Safeties
1:46 – Carom Shots
—- 2:29 – aiming system
—- 4:05 – fancy follow caroms
5:56 – Sidespin Shots
7:20 – Fouls
—- 10:00 – angled hits and stalemate example
11:42 – Wrap Up
—- 11:49 – shot montage
CORRECTIONS:
– at 1m58s, I said 9-ball, but I meant 8-ball.
– at 9m35s, I said the follow shot double-kissing the 8 back to the same rail is a foul in some league systems. This is incorrect. The shot is good since the CB hits the 8 and the 8 is driven to the cushion (before the double kiss occurs), so the shot is legal under any rules.
Supporting Resources:
– kiss-back shot resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/cue-ball-control/kiss-back/
– “DOUBLE-KISS SHOTS … Real Game Winners” video: https://youtu.be/c8ztEYGdga0
– “Top 10 End-Game Last-Ball Shot Options” video: https://youtu.be/HXX-0HfiJKE
– “HSV B.39 – kiss-back shot and secondary cushion contact” video: https://youtu.be/dFppNhJLQNM
– “NV B.13 – End-of-game kiss-back safety option” video: https://youtu.be/q6nwXmkd5Mo
– contact point mirror kicking system: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/contact-point-mirror/
– equal distance kicking system: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/bank-kick/mirror/
– pool rules resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/
– pool fouls resource page: https://billiards.colostate.edu/faq/foul/
– pool league rule differences: https://billiards.colostate.edu/resources/rules/rule-differences
Subscribe to Dr. Dave's YouTube Channel:
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Oh ya… 3rd! 🙂
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Always a fan, thank you for always helping improving my game and everyone’s else’s. Much appreciated!
With that stalemate example at 10:50, wouldn't it be possible to jump onto the 8 and get the cue ball back into play off the cushion?
10:38 why not playing an intentional foul on the 5-Ball to move it slightly?
Great video as always Dr. Dave! Sorry a bit off-topic here, how did you highlight your videos in the description with the YouTube sign next to it, I wanna do that in my videos as well 🙂
I absolutely love your focus on the physics of the game, what's actually transferring between ball and ball and rail etc. Top notch, exactly what im after
the bar i go to doesn't allow double kiss shots not even the eight ball. play bar rules at the bar, leave the ball were it lies, even if one doesn't hit the ball. and have to call a bank shot or other things like that and calling the 3 bar. if one scratches, its behind the kitchen for the cueball…
yes i know what APA rules are. don't hit an object ball. cue ball in hand. i get that. at my local bar, they don't allow the double kissing or whatnot.
If the 5/8 situation happened I would 3 foul him out.
Frozen ball double kissed to the same rail is still a foul. You need it to go to a different rail or any other ball to hit a rail.
A few too many flukes passed off as intended shots here.
I'm having trouble feeling discouraged. I just got my first break and run in 8ball, but it seems like I'm losing ground since then
Thanks! That three times law will make practice easier!
At 1:59 you would have just given your opponent ball in hand if you were playing 9-ball like you stated… and someone left an 11 ball out there too… lol. Still love the content!!
"Here is some examples." Grammar, Dr. Dave!
I've always loved billiards, specifically 9-ball, but in my life, I never had the space for a real billiards table nor did I ever have the luxury of time to go to pool bars to play it. I've always played 9-ball on my computer. Virtual Pool 4 is my favorite billiards pc game. I've been watching and following Dr. Daves lessons and surprisingly, they also work in Virtual Pool 4!
You are one tough cookie
Keith
8:30 is this still a foul? After the initial cue ball contact 8 hits the rail satisfying the "any ball hits the rail" requirement.
With the object ball stick to the rail I agree it does not count as a contact after the object ball strike.
While returning to the same rail on your new cloth isn’t possible, it is possible (and not even hard) on older cloth. Because the nose cushion is higher than the vertical center of the ball (often 62% the height of a ball), a rebounding ball has a downward vector into the cloth. Over time this compresses the cloth, leaving a channel or gully parallel to the rail (appearing as a grayish line). If you see that line, you can hit the frozen ball dead on VERY softly, so that it rebounds about 1/16” off the rail, and then the ball will fall back down into the gulley and return to the rail. Can even be done at an angle (a little harder). This is legal if playing under WPA rules. If you do this, to avoid controversy it would be wise to explain to your opponent your plan, and have him stand over the shot.
You definitely are my first "go to source" on pool info …
At 10:35, where you suggested agreeing to a stalemate, what if the 3-foul rule applied?
7:50 why would you want double kiss in a straight shot when object ball is not frozen to the rail?
I think it's important to note, that the ball not returning to the cushion is only a foul if the object ball was called "frozen to the cushion" prior to the shot by the ref or opponent.
Excellent video, now if I can only remember to do it in a game situation! Thanks a lot DOC!!
Very interesting. This brings up things I never even imagined before.
Why would you want to make the object-ball return to the cushion again. Shot at 9:15 is totally legal! Or am I missing something?
Only a kissback-shot from a ball frozen to a cushion has a risk of being a foul; as long as there is the smallest of gaps it is legal.
This video makes me rethink this otherwise completely logical statement.
Thank you again
Hi Dr Dave, my apologies that my questions/suggestions aren't related to this specific video..
Recently Taom introduced the V10 chalk and everyone is on the bandwagon (my instructor is sponsored by Taom and said this is the best chalk in existence). Would love to see another of your chalk test videos with V10 vs Pyro vs Kamui Roku 😉
Second one, I've had my table for around 3 months now and only got a rest last week, this is because I'm right handed and I've been attempting to become ambidextrous like Ronnie O' Sullivan and Judd Trump, would love to see you do a video sometime on tips for attempting to play with the 'wrong' hand.
As always, thank you so much for all the content you keep creating (y)
3:43, what do you mean by a "straighter hit" of the 8 when left spin is applied to CB? Thanks for clarification in advance!
Thank you, Dr. Efren!
Thanks Doc.