Why Johnny Gaudreau Deserves More Hart Trophy Love | Tim & Friends
Timmy explains why Johnny Hockey deserves more consideration for NHL MVP and how many people in hockey are sleeping on what Gaudreau has done with the Flames this season.
The thing is, it's the entire line that is clicking incredibly well. It's not one man carrying the team, it's Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Lindholm. Even still, yeah, he deserves some Hart trophy votes. Doubt he wins it though.
He doesn’t deserve anything, he’s so overrated having a big year to get his payday in New Jersey. Matthews, Mcdavid, and Josi should be the finalists in that order.
Is it all based on points ? He's the reason Matthew and Ellis also have 40 …..but he's plays for the Flames and is the West …..if he was a Leaf or Ranger he would win.
I thought Gaudreau should be up there to until I realized the following which I think is hilarious and insane: -Gaudreau has TWO line mates that combined have 84 goals. The Oilers top FOUR wingers have a combined LESS, 83 goals. -Despite playing on separate lines, McDavid(105) and Draisiatl(101) both had over 100 points before anyone on the team reached 50, Hyman(47). -AND the gap between 2nd and 3rd on their team is FIFTY SIX POINTS. The gap itself is bigger than Hyman's(54) point total lmao. -McDavid has MORE powerplay goals, NOT LESS even strength goals. They BOTH have 34. People keep using this as a negative for McDavid, as if you can’t be both good on the powerplay, and at even strength. You can. Basically, despite the insane gap between McDavid's line mates and team offence, and Gaudreau's, McDavid still found a way to win the Art Ross.
Personally, I don’t get the hype on forwards when everyone produced so high this year. It should go to either Josi, for dragging Nashville into the playoffs and playing elite down the stretch, or easily Shesterkin who despite the offensive outpour this year, put up the numbers he did for goaltending. To me it should be easy because all the forwards should cancel each other out and leave those two at the top. At the end of the day they all had insane production, but those two elevated their team to a whole new level, and did so, single handedly with their presence and by the fact that both are on the ice for larger parts of the game.
Let's adjust those numbers from Tim by taking into account games played:
Point Per Game: 1. C. McDavid: 1.54 2. A. Matthews: 1.45 3. J. Huberdeau: 1.44 4. J. Gaudreau: 1.40 5. L Draisaitl: 1.38
Goals Per Game: 1. A. Matthews: 0.82 2. L. Draisaitl: 0.69 3. A. Ovechkin: 0.65 4. C. Kreider: 0.64 5. K. Connor: 0.59
Points Per Game (EV Strength): 1. J. Gaudreau: 1.07 2. A. Matthews: 1.05 3. M. Marner: 1.00 4. C. McDavid: 0.96 5. K. Kaprizov: 0.93
Matthews is 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in the above categories. McDavid is 1st, 4th, and not even in the top 7 in the goals per game stat. Gaudreau is 4th, 1st, and not even in the top 15 in the goals per game stat.
And if you get into the advanced stats, the case for Matthews only becomes that much stronger. Anyone saying Matthews winning would be just because he's a Leaf is seriously out of touch with everything hockey.
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Insane season he had
Thank u sports net for actually talking about this
The thing is, it's the entire line that is clicking incredibly well. It's not one man carrying the team, it's Tkachuk, Gaudreau and Lindholm. Even still, yeah, he deserves some Hart trophy votes. Doubt he wins it though.
Mentioning plus/minus is going to trigger some stats nerds.
There is a big difference between deserves and reality.
He doesn’t deserve anything, he’s so overrated having a big year to get his payday in New Jersey. Matthews, Mcdavid, and Josi should be the finalists in that order.
👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Because a Leaf player is in the running no one else has a chance, deserving or not. He can watch the second round from home with his trophy.
whys this guy pronounce names so weird
Johnny Hockey deserves the trophy this year ferser
The amount of even strength points he’s amassed is crazy no complaints here if he wins the Hart he’s been consistently good all season
its Mvp to your team, not in the league
Is it all based on points ? He's the reason Matthew and Ellis also have 40 …..but he's plays for the Flames and is the West …..if he was a Leaf or Ranger he would win.
I agree. This guy isn't flashy, just incredibly consistent. He's got my phantom vote.
Yes Tim! Yes!
Compare Johnny hockey’s season with Peter Forsberg’s Hart win in 2002-2003. And Johnny beats him in almost every metric.
100%
Lol if he was on the leafs he's win it right away
I thought Gaudreau should be up there to until I realized the following which I think is hilarious and insane:
-Gaudreau has TWO line mates that combined have 84 goals. The Oilers top FOUR wingers have a combined LESS, 83 goals.
-Despite playing on separate lines, McDavid(105) and Draisiatl(101) both had over 100 points before anyone on the team reached 50, Hyman(47). -AND the gap between 2nd and 3rd on their team is FIFTY SIX POINTS. The gap itself is bigger than Hyman's(54) point total lmao.
-McDavid has MORE powerplay goals, NOT LESS even strength goals. They BOTH have 34. People keep using this as a negative for McDavid, as if you can’t be both good on the powerplay, and at even strength. You can.
Basically, despite the insane gap between McDavid's line mates and team offence, and Gaudreau's, McDavid still found a way to win the Art Ross.
Personally, I don’t get the hype on forwards when everyone produced so high this year. It should go to either Josi, for dragging Nashville into the playoffs and playing elite down the stretch, or easily Shesterkin who despite the offensive outpour this year, put up the numbers he did for goaltending. To me it should be easy because all the forwards should cancel each other out and leave those two at the top. At the end of the day they all had insane production, but those two elevated their team to a whole new level, and did so, single handedly with their presence and by the fact that both are on the ice for larger parts of the game.
Let's adjust those numbers from Tim by taking into account games played:
Point Per Game:
1. C. McDavid: 1.54
2. A. Matthews: 1.45
3. J. Huberdeau: 1.44
4. J. Gaudreau: 1.40
5. L Draisaitl: 1.38
Goals Per Game:
1. A. Matthews: 0.82
2. L. Draisaitl: 0.69
3. A. Ovechkin: 0.65
4. C. Kreider: 0.64
5. K. Connor: 0.59
Points Per Game (EV Strength):
1. J. Gaudreau: 1.07
2. A. Matthews: 1.05
3. M. Marner: 1.00
4. C. McDavid: 0.96
5. K. Kaprizov: 0.93
Matthews is 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in the above categories. McDavid is 1st, 4th, and not even in the top 7 in the goals per game stat. Gaudreau is 4th, 1st, and not even in the top 15 in the goals per game stat.
And if you get into the advanced stats, the case for Matthews only becomes that much stronger. Anyone saying Matthews winning would be just because he's a Leaf is seriously out of touch with everything hockey.
totally agree amen!